Transfer Rumours January '23 Transfer Thread

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SydneyTiger14 said:
You also can't talk about it being a failure, which was more my point.

He signed permanently because he was so impressive in the closing months of the season when he finally got a run in the side, again my point. You can't judge the quality of the player until you actually see them on the pitch. Simons against Fulham was very impressive, to call him a failure is incredibly premature.

Our recruitment in the last three years hasn't been bad? Are you joking? Our longest serving senior player is Callum Elder. Let that sink in.

Is Vale on 20k or are you just believing whatever you read online?
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So now you're arguing it's not a bad signing if the player doesn't play? If a player isn't deemed good enough to get onto the pitch, how can you deem the transfer to be anything other than a failure?

He probably will be a decent player in 5 years time but as he's not ours we won't see him. We're more than halfway through the season and he's not playing, unless there's a major injury crisis he almost certainly won't make the bench this weekend either.

No, our recruitment hasn't been that bad. We've been operating under a tiny budget for most the period, and the L1 recruitment was the best we've had in over a decade.
 
Shark Sports said:
So now you're arguing it's not a bad signing if the player doesn't play? If a player isn't deemed good enough to get onto the pitch, how can you deem the transfer to be anything other than a failure?

He probably will be a decent player in 5 years time but as he's not ours we won't see him. We're more than halfway through the season and he's not playing, unless there's a major injury crisis he almost certainly won't make the bench this weekend either.

No, our recruitment hasn't been that bad. We've been operating under a tiny budget for most the period, and the L1 recruitment was the best we've had in over a decade.
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I don’t want to get into an argument about who’s good and who’s bad, but surely this depends on the definition of how a loan is successful or not?

Id argue Slater was a success because it got him into the club, we worked out if he was any good or not, and then we signed him for a low fee. Sounds good to me.

We might do similar with Simons. I’d argue a loan is only a failure if they don’t play AND they don’t sign.

Using loans to assess players, especially young ones, I think is quite canny.
 
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Drew said:
I don’t want to get into an argument about who’s good and who’s bad, but surely this depends on the definition of how a loan is successful or not?

Id argue Slater was a success because it got him into the club, we worked out if he was any good or not, and then we signed him for a low fee. Sounds good to me.

We might do similar with Simons. I’d argue a loan is only a failure if they don’t play AND they don’t sign.

Using loans to assess players, especially young ones, I think is quite canny.
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I completely agree, and it's why I spent all summer saying there's no point in signing players on loan without options to make permanent.
 
askewshair said:
We had that spell when Man Utd were our feeder club. Brady, Chester were fantastic successes ( sure they were loans initially), Stewart was great on loan but flopped afterwards. Also another who’s name I dont remember, but he was their U23 captain then hardly got a game for us. Sure I’ve missed someone.
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Corry Evans?
 
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askewshair said:
We had that spell when Man Utd were our feeder club. Brady, Chester were fantastic successes ( sure they were loans initially), Stewart was great on loan but flopped afterwards. Also another who’s name I dont remember, but he was their U23 captain then hardly got a game for us. Sure I’ve missed someone.
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Dudgeon. And there was Corry Evans too.
 
askewshair said:
We had that spell when Man Utd were our feeder club. Brady, Chester were fantastic successes ( sure they were loans initially), Stewart was great on loan but flopped afterwards. Also another who’s name I dont remember, but he was their U23 captain then hardly got a game for us. Sure I’ve missed someone.
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Mannone on loan from arsenal around the same time terrific too, Livermore was 22 when we got him from Spurs, there's plenty of examples.
 
Shark Sports said:
I completely agree, and it's why I spent all summer saying there's no point in signing players on loan without options to make permanent.
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We didn't have an option with Slater, nor do we with Simons though. The two players he cited.

Plus weren't you the one that spent the summer arguing that an option to buy is meaningless?
 
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