James Chester
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I've always been teethist.
Esther Rantzen and Janet Street-Porter make me want to damage inanimate objects.
Couldn't resist wading in on this debate, some pretty strange assertions being made. I agree with BCC
Can't really argue with that. I rarely hear people use terms like Bradistan, Leicesteristan, and so on in an intellectual setting - usually it is rather unsavoury folks (unless its on an internet forum, in which case who knows?)
Or, in other words, there's a difference between playful racism and mean-spirited racism.
Person using racist phraseology calls person who posts rebuttal to racist post myopic...Logic Gymnastics!
Why is that relevant? Are people only allowed to flag other people up on something when it directly concerns them? The words of Martin Niemoller come to mind...
This is why its called Political Correctness - because it is noting what is "correct", in an inclusive society based upon individual rights and equality before the law etc etc; as opposed, say, to talking in generalities about groups of people is empirically unsound and theoretically unfounded. I don't talk about stuff I don't know much about if what I think is offensive, or, if what I think/say is offensive, I learn more about it.
Dunno why it is that Hull - being relatively uniformly white - has such a proclivity toward racism. I'm sure nobody on here is "a racist", but certainly some racist talk every now and again.
Can't really argue with that. I rarely hear people use terms like Bradistan, Leicesteristan, and so on in an intellectual setting - usually it is rather unsavoury folks (unless its on an internet forum, in which case who knows?)
Or, in other words, there's a difference between playful racism and mean-spirited racism.
Person using racist phraseology calls person who posts rebuttal to racist post myopic...Logic Gymnastics!
Why is that relevant? Are people only allowed to flag other people up on something when it directly concerns them? The words of Martin Niemoller come to mind...
This is why its called Political Correctness - because it is noting what is "correct", in an inclusive society based upon individual rights and equality before the law etc etc; as opposed, say, to talking in generalities about groups of people is empirically unsound and theoretically unfounded. I don't talk about stuff I don't know much about if what I think is offensive, or, if what I think/say is offensive, I learn more about it.
Dunno why it is that Hull - being relatively uniformly white - has such a proclivity toward racism. I'm sure nobody on here is "a racist", but certainly some racist talk every now and again.
Being mainly white could be one reason for it.
Anyway, good post with some logical points. Not that those on here who use or condone the casual racism will get it.
A bit I'd question is the 'predominantly white' bit. Coming from the University area as I do, I probably see and mix with more colours and creeds than some from so called multi-cultural areas and have done for many decades.
Hull's a University City and a Port. We've had foreign folk in here from day one and they've been happy to settle amongst us and truly integrate with no real issues and no need to clump together with 'their own'. Unlike the so called cosmopolitan places that have collections of un-integrated mono-cultures.
Hull's a University City and a Port. We've had foreign folk in here from day one and they've been happy to settle amongst us and truly integrate with no real issues and no need to clump together with 'their own'. Unlike the so called cosmopolitan places that have collections of un-integrated mono-cultures.
Perhaps you could provide a definition of racism so that we can all benefit from your sermon.
Yeah, fair point. Then again, the bohemian bit of Hull is a bit of an oasis in a desert. Some Hullensians are enlightened, some are just clods. I suppose there's no uniformity to the uniformity, perhaps I was generalising a bit there
My experience in your area of town has been that the students tend to integrate reasonably well, and the locals with the students - integration being, of course, a two-way street. Having said that, we all know that many people in Hull refer to any from Morocco to Pakistan as "Kosovans". At root, most British racial bigotry (IMO) comes from a basic misunderstanding of the changing economics of our country (they took our jerbs argument) or a lack of appreciation for our colonial history and its basic principle of reciprocity.
But anyway, football and stuff...
Yeah, fair point. Then again, the bohemian bit of Hull is a bit of an oasis in a desert. Some Hullensians are enlightened, some are just clods. I suppose there's no uniformity to the uniformity, perhaps I was generalising a bit there
My experience in your area of town has been that the students tend to integrate reasonably well, and the locals with the students - integration being, of course, a two-way street. Having said that, we all know that many people in Hull refer to any from Morocco to Pakistan as "Kosovans". At root, most British racial bigotry (IMO) comes from a basic misunderstanding of the changing economics of our country (they took our jerbs argument) or a lack of appreciation for our colonial history and its basic principle of reciprocity.
But anyway, football and stuff...
At least you didn't stoop to racial and regional sterotypes. How silly would that have made you look after your novel?
To be fair matey, you are on the internet - look it up. Its not my job to be your moral compass, and you're more than entitled to your opinion, but I can disagree with you, and point out hypocrisy when I see it.
At least you didn't stoop to racial and regional sterotypes. How silly would that have made you look after your novel?
Indeed. A pre-emptive touché for you, sir.
We have been lucky in Hull, despite being a port city, we have had a slow peace-meal immigration, so people have integrated well and it's hard to point to an area of immigrants, other than Spring Bank, references to which are largely jovial and it's only a couple of hundred yards long with the odd Polish supermarket anyway.
It's only areas that have been completely taken over by a particular nationality that are really bad, I've owned a home in north London for the past seven years and it's seriously ****ing grim, I've just sold the place and I'll gladly never go back.
Unless we get in the play off final, obviously.
It's only areas that have been completely taken over by a particular nationality that are really bad, I've owned a home in north London for the past seven years and it's seriously ****ing grim, I've just sold the place and I'll gladly never go back.
Unless we get in the play off final, obviously.
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