Jail/prison

[Stan]

Yeah, if you want to embarrass yourself.

CIL payments have done away with the need for section 106 payments on most small projects. That is a fact, and your excruciating ignorance on the subject isn’t going to change it.

Most. That’s not what you initially said, yeah?

How’s Cornish Clive getting on with your pub conversions?

 

[Hoddle is a god]

Most. That’s not what you initially said, yeah?

What I initially said was a shorthand summary intended as a throwaway comment to lay people on a football chat room who couldn’t give a hoot. I wasn’t expecting a know-it-all ocd-ridden estate agent to put me through the Spanish Inquisition.

 

[brb]

As I said, a lot of offences carry a custodial sentence in the Mags Court, but it should only be applied in the most serious of incidents of that particular offence.

For refusing a breath test, the punishment is a driving ban, and usually a fine.

Personally I can see no justifiable reason for refusing a breath test, unless you have a medical condition that prevents you from doing so. Saunders clearly must think he is above the law, the law that requires you as a holder of a drivers licence to give a breath test when requested. Whether you feel you may be over the limit or under it, give the test. If you fail to do so and are sent to prison, you only have yourself to blame, regardless if the mag is being a dick.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

Personally I can see no justifiable reason for refusing a breath test, unless you have a medical condition that prevents you from doing so.

By refusing the roadside test he was already guaranteed a ban, and possibly a fine.

To go that extra step and remove him of his liberty would require aggravating factors.

Saunders clearly must think he is above the law, the law that requires you as a holder of a drivers licence to give a breath test when requested. Whether you feel you may be over the limit or under it, give the test. If you fail to do so and are sent to prison, you only have yourself to blame, regardless if the mag is being a dick.

All of that is possibly true, but it isn’t an aggravating factor.

Aggravating factors would be things like mounting the pavement, causing an accident, aggression towards the police, etc.

 

[brb]

By refusing the roadside test he was already guaranteed a ban, and possibly a fine.

To go that extra step and remove him of his liberty would require aggravating factors.




All of that is possibly true, but it isn’t an aggravating factor.

Aggravating factors would be things like mounting the pavement, causing an accident, aggression towards the police, etc.

The mag clearly didn't like him, but if he had taken the test, he wouldn't be sitting in a cell right now.

 

[J๏E..]

By refusing the roadside test he was already guaranteed a ban, and possibly a fine.

To go that extra step and remove him of his liberty would require aggravating factors.




All of that is possibly true, but it isn’t an aggravating factor.

Aggravating factors would be things like mounting the pavement, causing an accident, aggression towards the police, etc.

I'm sure the bodycam evidence will show him singing 'cry me a river' at the top of his voice, whilst pissing on the bobby's leg..

 

[Stan]

What I initially said was a shorthand summary intended as a throwaway comment to lay people on a football chat room who couldn’t give a hoot. I wasn’t expecting a know-it-all ocd-ridden estate agent to put me through the Spanish Inquisition.

But you tried to back up your incorrect statement as in your arrogance you assumed no one else would have any knowledge of the subject. I’m not an estate agent but don’t get why a solicitor who makes his living from doing ****ty conveyancing jobs would have so much contempt for the profession. Do they kick you up the arse to pull your finger out?

 

[FosseFilberto]

The fine and a ban are the starting points.

A custodial sentence should then be considered only if there are aggravating factors. Real ones, not ones invented by the judge because he doesn’t understand sentencing law.

So you know more about sentencing law than a District Judge, Quents?

Now why am I just a tad sceptical about that?

 

[FosseFilberto]

Apparently Saunders refused to take the great test due to being asthmatic...

What hasn't been reported yet is that he also refused to take a blood test due to hemophilia ...

Copper then suggested he come to the station for a urine test ... but he produced some ID that said "Liverpool FC Supporters Club - Please don't take the piss" .... crafty **** ...

 

[Hoddle is a god]

So you know more about sentencing law than a District Judge, Quents?

Now why am I just a tad sceptical about that?

It would have been a magistrate?

These people tend to be lay persons and they often get custodial sentencing wrong.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

Apparently Saunders refused to take the great test due to being asthmatic...

What hasn't been reported yet is that he also refused to take a blood test due to hemophilia ...

Copper then suggested he come to the station for a urine test ... but he produced some ID that said "Liverpool FC Supporters Club - Please don't take the piss" .... crafty **** ...

Wtf?!!

 

[Hoddle is a god]

I’m not an estate agent

You sure?

From the way you described what you do, it sounded very much like you are a glorified estate agent.

don’t get why a solicitor who makes his living from doing ****ty conveyancing jobs would have so much contempt for the profession. Do they kick you up the arse to pull your finger out?

You’ve really been stung by my jibes, haven’t you, Stan?

 

[Hoddle is a god]

I'm sure the bodycam evidence will show him singing 'cry me a river' at the top of his voice, whilst pissing on the bobby's leg..

The bastard deserves bird for that.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

The mag clearly didn't like him...

Agreed.

Again, that’s not an aggravating factor. Thank god for it, too.

 

[Stan]

You sure?

From the way you described what you do, it sounded very much like you are a glorified estate agent.



You’ve really been stung by my jibes, haven’t you, Stan?

What do I do?

No one has ever been stung by your jibes, especially since you doxxed yourself.

 

[remembercolinlee]

Outrage?

I’m discussing the law.

Quite frankly, I couldn’t give a toss either way.

There are bankers and insolvency practitioners out there, responsible for stealing billions from people, who should be in prison. The harm they’ve done to many thousands of families makes what Saunders did pale into insignificance.

So, he made a car brake sharply, big deal! There are old duffers round my way who make me do that all the time. Most of them shouldn’t be on the road, but I wouldn’t want to lock them up.

Good missing the point

 

[FosseFilberto]

It would have been a magistrate?

These people tend to be lay persons and they often get custodial sentencing wrong.

You do walk into them Quentin

The judge was Nicholas Sanders, District judge and former law firm partner ...

Can we take it that you now retract your previous blowhole emission?

 

[FosseFilberto]

Anyone want a kipper .... one not so careful owner? .... me

 

[Hoddle is a god]

Good missing the point

Not missing the point, at all.

Just because you have a bee in your bonnet about drunk drivers is not a reason to throw them all into prison.

Depriving someone of their liberty is rightfully reserved for the more heinous of crimes.

I’m not saying that I condone anything Dean Saunders has done, I am merely pointing out that to slap him in prison “to make an example of him” (which appears to be the only reason advanced by the magistrate for doing so) is not correct sentencing procedure.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

No one has ever been stung by your jibes,

Sure.