It's Rafa Benitez

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UnitedinRed mkII said:
La Liga when he won it was like Serie A is now. A bit of a mess and most of the big sides were a mess. The first title he won, he won with a points total that would of just scraped top 4. Scored 51 goals and really wasnt all that special. Not taking anything away from winning the title but it wasnt like he went out and conquered great Real and Barcelona sides. Barcelona were a joke for one thing.

Second one I dont know much about. His best days were at Valencia. He did it in the league and europe, something hes not managed since.
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I am so ****ing sick of coming on the CHELSEA board to find you here post after post article after article. Will you just **** off you cretinous little gobshite.
 
'arrys 2011 squad cost 176 million quid

Rafa's most expensive Liverpool squad cost in the 150s and was less than 150 in the final year because of the policy to sell more than you buy for years.

Why didn't Harry win the league?

I don't think you're a liar, I just think you're stupid and have been brainwashed with the ant-Rafa propaganda


Liverpool had no right even being in contention for the title with a squad that cheap and Rafa almost did it with 86 points.

What's Harry's excuse?
 
redconn said:
'arrys 2011 squad cost 176 million quid

Rafa's most expensive Liverpool squad cost in the 150s and was less than 150 in the final year because of the policy to sell more than you buy for years.

Why didn't Harry win the league?

I don't think you're a liar, I just think you're stupid and have been brainwashed with the ant-Rafa propaganda


Liverpool had no right even being in contention for the title with a squad that cheap and Rafa almost did it with 86 points.

What's Harry's excuse?
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You got that right.
 
redconn said:
'arrys 2011 squad cost 176 million quid

Rafa's most expensive Liverpool squad cost in the 150s and was less than 150 in the final year because of the policy to sell more than you buy for years.
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During their respective tenures Benitez spent £143M net, compared to Redknapps £3M net, & Benitez also had one of highest wage bills in the division.

But don't let little things like facts get in the way.
 
Toblerone Boots said:
During their respective tenures Benitez spent £143M net, compared to Redknapps £3M net, & Benitez also had one of highest wage bills in the division.

But don't let little things like facts get in the way.
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There,you've just explained why they were CL winners and finalists and you did **** all.
 
Rafa

TOTAL BOUGHT: £229,340,000
TOTAL SOLD: £151,000,000.
TOTAL NET SPEND: £78,340,000

Redknapp

NET SPEND UNDER HARRY £48,730,000


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CPofL KTBFFH said:
There,you've just explained why they were CL winners and finalists and you did **** all.
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Sorry, but that is complete bollocks!

Coco won the CL with the remnants of a good team. Towards the end of his reign at 'Pool, he spent money like it was going out of fashion, desperately trying to buy himself the glory that he was too incompetent to achieve with what he had.

Or is it your case that if you give any manager enough money he can win the CL?

If so, why did Mad Dog get rid of RDM? Why not give RDM a whole load of cash to throw at players? Why the need to bring in Coco?
 
interesting that harry's genius players, t'riffic tactics, and 176 mil squad managing 69 or 70 points and getting knocked out of Europe in the early rounds is brilliance

And Rafa's 120-150 mil squad of rubbish buys getting 82 & 86 points and reaching CL finals and semis is rubbish and failure. Trophies were brought home as well.



Banter is one thing. I get that.

But I'm coming to the frightening realisation that you're actually serious and believe this.
 
redconn said:
'arrys 2011 squad cost 176 million quid

Rafa's most expensive Liverpool squad cost in the 150s and was less than 150 in the final year because of the policy to sell more than you buy for years.

Why didn't Harry win the league?

I don't think you're a liar, I just think you're stupid and have been brainwashed with the ant-Rafa propaganda


Liverpool had no right even being in contention for the title with a squad that cheap and Rafa almost did it with 86 points.

What's Harry's excuse?
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Twist it how you want, Benitez did very well at the start and then wasted a load of money meaning you dropped out of the top 4 after Benitez stupidly guarunteed you wouldn't midseason.

If you want to look at spending, even though you can't really compare spending over different periods of time, look at net spends and wages. In Benitez's time in charge you averaged spending £17mill net a season, 'Arry averaged spending around £7mill a season net in his time in charge. That's even including our spending in the summer before Redknapp arrived. On the wages front, although the highest wages have gone up nearly 90% in the time from Rafa taking charge at 'Pool to 2010-11, which is the most recent full set of data for wages, Rafa still spent £88mill on average whilst 'Arry spent £73mill. The season Benitez finished 7th and 'Arry finished 4th you spent £121mill in wages compared toi Spurs' £67mill.

As a I said, he did well overall but lets not pretend he's some brilliant manager or that he didn't **** things up at the end.
 
Yid Vicious said:
Twist it how you want, Benitez did very well at the start and then wasted a load of money meaning you dropped out of the top 4 after Benitez stupidly guarunteed you wouldn't midseason.

If you want to look at spending, even though you can't really compare spending over different periods of time, look at net spends and wages. In Benitez's time in charge you averaged spending £17mill net a season, 'Arry averaged spending around £7mill a season net in his time in charge. That's even including our spending in the summer before Redknapp arrived. On the wages front, although the highest wages have gone up nearly 90% in the time from Rafa taking charge at 'Pool to 2010-11, which is the most recent full set of data for wages, Rafa still spent £88mill on average whilst 'Arry spent £73mill. The season Benitez finished 7th and 'Arry finished 4th you spent £121mill in wages compared toi Spurs' £67mill.

As a I said, he did well overall but lets not pretend he's some brilliant manager or that he didn't **** things up at the end.
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This list was compiled in the summer so there is a couple of changes, but anyway, if you take all the purchases Rafa made his buys come out in profit once sold.

All bar his last season he outperformed what could be expected (if your looking at money) both domestically and in Europe. Lets not talk purely money though, yes you can highlight one season where Spurs finished higher than Rafa's Liverpool but that is discounting all that was imploding at the club off the field.

I disagree that he wasted money, he was constantly trying to increase the standard of the squad each season (he also revamped our youth system, which we are starting to see the benefits of), he wasn't given £250mill and told to go spend it, he had to do it over time (mostly funded from his European exploits). The players he did make a mistake on where Keane (who Spurs bought back, only to treat him the same we did. Whose the real idiot there?) and Aquilani who looked like a desperate buy, but was an Italian International who due to his Injury was available who it turns out had no intention of playing in Liverpool, yes a very bad buy.

Chelsea have got themselves a good manager, calling him a clown is pathetic

Here is the list, don't blame me for any inaccuracies in the figures as I got them off transferleague.co.uk


...........................................Bought. ........................Sold...................... Profit/Loss
Season 09/10
Glen Johnson........................£17,500,000........ .........still at club
Chris Mavinga........................Signed[2]
Stephen Sama.........................Free
Alberto Aquilani.....................£17,000,00........... ........still at club
Sotirios Kyrgiakos..................£1,5000,00............. .........Free...................-£1,500,000
Maxi Rodriguez............................Free......... ..............still at club

Season 08/09
Philipp Degen............................Free............. ...............Free
Andrea Dossena.....................£7,000,000............ ........£4,500,000.............-£2,500,000
Diego Cavalieri.......................£3,500,000........ ............£1,000,000.............-£2,500,000
Robbie Keane........................£19,000,000.......... .........£12,000,000...........-£7,000,000
Vitor Flora.............................Signed
Alberto Riera.........................£8,000,000.......... ..........£5,000,000............ -£3,000,000
David Ngog...........................£1,500,000......... ...........£4,000,000.............£2,500,000

Season 07/08
Javier Mascherano.................£17,100,000............ .......£17,300,000...........£200,000
Martin Skrtel........................£6,500,000.......... ..........Still at Club
Damien Plessis.........................Signed
Emiliano Insua......................£1,300,000............. .........free.................... -£1,300,000
Ryan Babel..........................£11,500,000........ ...........£5,800,000 ............-£5,700,000
Yossi Benayoun....................£5,000,000............ ........£5,000,000
Sebastian Leto.....................£1,850,000............... ....£3,000,000............... £1,150,000
Fernando Torres...................£26,500,000.............. ....£50,000,000.............£23,500,000
Charles-Hubert Itandje..............Signed
Andrei Voronin..........................Free............. ................Free

Season 06/07
Lucas Pezzini Leiva............... £6,000,000....................Still at Club
Francisco Manuel Dura................Signed
Alvaro Arbeloa........................£2,640,000......... ......£3,500,000..................£860,000
Nabil El Zhar...........................£200,000........... ............Free
Dirk Kuyt................................£9,000,000.... ...........Still at Club
Jermaine Pennant.....................£6,700,000............ ........£0......................-£6,700,000
Fabiano Aurelio Free Free
Gabriel Paletta...........................£2,000,000...... ............ £0.....................-£2,000,000

Season 05/06
Craig Bellamy...........................£6,000,000...... ............£7,500,000..............£1,500,000
Robbie Fowler Free Free
Daniel Agger............................£5,800,000....... ..........Still at Club
David Martin Signed
Jose Reina............................£6,000,000....... ..................Still at Club
Jan Kromkamp Swap ?
Paul Anderson Signed
Jack Hobbs Signed
Godwin Antwi Signed
Peter Crouch.............................£7,000,000..... ...........£10,000,000..................£3,000,000
Mohamed Sissoko.....................£5,600,000............ ......£8,200,000.....................£2,600,000
Antonio Barragan.....................£240,000 .....................£680,000..................... .....£440,000
Boudewijn Zenden Free Free
Mark Gonzalez........................£4,500,000........ ...........£4,200,000...................-£300,000

Season 04/05
Scott Carson......................... £1,000,000...................£3,250,000........... ........£2,250,000
Fernando Morientes................£6,300,000............... ..£3,000,000......................-£3,300,000
Mauricio Pellegrino Free free
Antonio Nunez Swap free
Xabi Alonso............................£10,500,000..... ...........£30,000,000..................£19,500,00 0
Luis Garcia.............................£6,000,000..... .............£4,000,000...................-£2,000,000
Josemi..................................£2,000,000 .................................................. ..-£2,000,000
Djibril Cisse...........................£14,000,000....... ...........£6,000,000................ -£8,000,000

Total.....................................£246,230 ,000............£187,930,000............... -£58,300,000
Total less players still at club.............................................. .....................£9,700,000 profit
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CPofL KTBFFH said:
Herbert

They are all making you look like the complete dick you are <ok>
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Not really, though, eh.

The proof of the pudding is going to be in the eating. Let's see what Coco can do with Chelsea that he couldn't do with 'Pool. Who knows, perhaps he may become your saviour, and you and the Mousers will jointly sing his name with pride from the terraces. It might happen.
 
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