It's a conspiracy!

[Sucky]

Whoever the ref was when we played city at their place had just come back from an officiating trip to the ME and as you say, all paid for by city's owners. They're not even trying to hide it.

Yup.


But it's a conspiracy apparently.

My arse, its bent af

 

[Bumps]

Thing is once we agree it’s bribed officials the game is done
There are some optimistic people on here lol who don’t want to believe it
I do fall in the line that it’s generally poor officiating but some of that article is hard to deny
And Tierney seems to be something more
You have to imagine Klopp knows everything we have been saying as it’s Tierney he called out

 

[saintanton]

Thing is once we agree it’s bribed officials the game is done
There are some optimistic people on here lol who don’t want to believe it
I do fall in the line that it’s generally poor officiating but some of that article is hard to deny
And Tierney seems to be something more
You have to imagine Klopp knows everything we have been saying as it’s Tierney he called out

You really have it in for optimists, don't you?
It's not that I dismiss the idea, but like all accusations of wrongdoing, I'm reluctant to judge without compelling evidence.
Hearsay and suspicion don't come into that category. The statistical evidence carries a little more weight perhaps, but I'm no statistician so I don't know how watertight the information gathering procedure is.
To me, accusations of serious corruption need to be examined as though they were in a court of law, and hearsay is never enough for that.
If a confession comes about one day, or irrefutable evidence, then we'll all know.
Until then...it's not that I prefer the idea of incompetence or bias of individuals over a purposeful policy - it's that I consider it far more likely.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I'm more an optimist than not. I like to think I'm also open minded - not accusing anyone here of not being open minded, just pointing out my stance. I think it's a good position to take because you can't outright say 'it's a conspiracy' or 'it's not a conspiracy'. Like any good detective, you look at the evidence, follow where that leads and come to a conclusion.

People often say that they just use the 'eye test' when watching football but this can sometimes prove not to be reliable, for example, when a player has been deemed to have not moved much in a match when actually it's shown that he covered more ground than any other player. Basically, other than chit chat around a game and the general banter that we get up to on here, it's best not to assume something (like conspiracy) unless you have facts and data to back it up.

The link to Tomkins article posted above reveals a lot of information gathered over a long period of time using neutral sources i.e not gathered by Liverpool fans. When some metrics overwhelming support a theory, you can accept that something is a bit iffy without going full on conspiracy theorist. That's where I'm currently (sort of) at.

 

[Bumps]

You really have it in for optimists, don't you?
It's not that I dismiss the idea, but like all accusations of wrongdoing, I'm reluctant to judge without compelling evidence.
Hearsay and suspicion don't come into that category. The statistical evidence carries a little more weight perhaps, but I'm no statistician so I don't know how watertight the information gathering procedure is.
To me, accusations of serious corruption need to be examined as though they were in a court of law, and hearsay is never enough for that.
If a confession comes about one day, or irrefutable evidence, then we'll all know.
Until then...it's not that I prefer the idea of incompetence or bias of individuals over a purposeful policy - it's that I consider it far more likely.

I understand what you are saying
I just trust my own eyes
And ftr - I have nothing against anyone on here - even the optimistic lmao

 

[brb]

Or is it?

Having briefly mentioned this on another thread I thought I’d give it its own space and see if anyone is interested.

We all feel that we have been screwed over several times by refereeing and VAR decisions this season - to the extent that it could seriously affect the final destination of the title.

Other teams have their own issues with refs and VAR, so are we guilty of only noticing it when it affects us and over-exaggerating it?
Have refs got it in for us, are they suffering from subconscious bias, or are they just not very good?
Are we casually ignoring bad decisions that go our way?

Probably a forlorn hope I know, but I’d be interested in a sensible discussion on the topic, where rather than just make claims, we could present a cogent argument in support of them.

If any visitors should stumble across the thread, I’d be interested in hearing their side of the story too - with the same proviso that they make a case, rather than just descending into the usual tribal ritual of slagging each other off. Be football fans first, and club fans second.
In the long run, it benefits all of us to have a higher standard of just and effective officiating than we’re seeing at the moment.

WTF, why have you posted this on the Prem board you absolute dildo....

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[Treble]

This is why I don't go on the Livpl board anymore. Bar two or three posters they've completely disappeared up their own arseholes.

 

[brb]

This is why I don't go on the Livpl board anymore. Bar two or three posters they've completely disappeared up their own arseholes.

Absolutely, and reading Bumps comments who has the cheek to come on here is fooking hilarious.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Who moved this onto the Premier League board?

 

[Treble]

Absolutely, and reading Bumps comments who has the cheek to come on here is fooking hilarious.

JB2 quoting victimhood from TomkinsTimes is like a Russian quoting the world is against us from Vladimir Putin

 

[brb]

Who moved this onto the Premier League board?

Well going by this thread Paul Tierney probably.

 

[brb]

JB2 quoting victimhood from TomkinsTimes is like a Russian quoting the world is against us from Vladimir Putin

I think Tierney is Vlad in disguise.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Well going by this thread Paul Tierney probably.

Hilarious that

Can you move it back to the Liverpool board.

 

[Treble]

I think Tierney is Vlad in disguise.

Tierney's sitting at home enjoying his tea giving zero fcks. Meanwhile scousers writing a dossier to present to the U.N.

 

[brb]

Tierney's sitting at home enjoying his tea giving zero fcks. Meanwhile scousers writing a dossier to present to the U.N.

Sad really the amount of crying in here, always the victims.

 

[brb]

Hilarious that

Can you move it back to the Liverpool board.

Why do you lot always cry and bitch so much, Tierney is a decent ref, maybe you should just learn to accept decisions that go against you, instead of turning it into a **** fest everytime.

 

[Treble]

Sad really the amount of crying in here, always the victims.

This means more mate [HASHTAG]#neverforget[/HASHTAG]

 

[brb]

This means more mate [HASHTAG]#neverforget[/HASHTAG]

I think this thread needs more input, maybe Bumps could come back and play the victim a bit more.

 

[Treble]

I think this thread needs more input, maybe Bumps could come back and play the victim a bit more.

Bumps says Klopp knows everything. At this point I thought we'd reached peak Twilight Zone.

Maybe we could get Klopp on the science thread to finally answer the question of whether aliens exist?