Is Rooney the answer

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Sir Tennisball said:
We can agree to disagree about Hernandez, I don't think Bayern Munich away was a match where you could afford to have your striker sitting high up the pitch waiting for throughballs. Without Rooney tracking back like a maniac we would've had even fewer counterattack chances, and any throughballs from deep would've been hit-and-hope ones where Hernandez would likely just get muscled off the ball. He's not a Welbeck that can make something out of those kind of balls. I agree if we had some semblance of control over the midfield then he would be much more effective running onto clever balls from Kagawa etc, but it wasn't that kind of match.

Erm, Bayern Munich are very different to the bottom half teams in the Premier League. We've been dominated by the top PL teams, and Bayern are way better than them even...
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Agreed that Bayern are a different kettle of fish, but you guys haven't really clicked throughout the season and its no coincidence that with Rooney not in the hole (ball hogging, not passing it off quickly like Mata or Kagawa do) that you guys look far more slicker and are creating far more chances. I'm not sure that Rooney worked that hard (certainly in the second half) and what he gave last night apart from those 2 decent opportunities that he fluffed.
 
Sir Tennisball said:
He's been our best player this season along with De Gea.

Taking a painkilling injection to play through the pain barrier in our biggest match of the season, knowing that you are putting your World Cup potentially at risk, and also knowing that he is ALWAYS the scapegoat for United and England when they lose, shows that he wasn't trying to hide.

I think it's ridiculous that fans are trying to lay the blame at his feet. We knew he wasn't at a 100% last night and experience has shown us that Rooney always struggles when not 100% fit (which is normal for most players, but especially for an all-energy player like him).

Yet I still believe he was the right choice last night. Rooney at 80% still offered more from an all round perspective in a match where we were going to have to fight tooth and nail to get a result. Our only other option was Chicharito, who would never have offered the all round game we needed, or someone like Januzaj with Welbeck playing centrally. Neither of these would have had as much as an affect as Rooney imo. We needed physicality, work rate and power up front, hence the Valencia, Welbeck and Rooney trio. A smaller player might have been a better finisher than an injured Rooney, but I don't think we would've caused them enough problems to get those opportunities to finish off.

My opinion I know, but it's all too easy to blame Rooney, which I think is short sighted and a cop-out. I realise some fans are always going to call for drastic changes after every negative result, and they are entitled to those views, but I certainly don't agree. Personally I don't think there should only be two mentalities for (most) United fans; "We're the best team in the world" or "We're useless, fire everyone and buy 10 new players".
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100% agree with this.

I also agree with the notion that Mata should be No.10. Yes, he should, with Rooney at nine. If anyone is to leave then it's RVP, not Rooney.

To suggest he'll be sold this summer is nonsense. He's our best striker and not one other club on earth would pick up his salary plus transfer fee so it isn't going to happen.
 
Apart from the league in 2010-11, not that it's even remotely relevant.

We didn't win much with Ruud van Nistelrooy but would you sell him? No, because he was brilliant.

Same story here.
 
Chief said:
Apart from the league in 2010-11, not that it's even remotely relevant.

We didn't win much with Ruud van Nistelrooy but would you sell him? No, because he was brilliant.

Same story here.
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Rooney was out of sorts in 2010/2011 when he wanted to leave the club so he was not the best player that season and by the way Ronaldo became the best player at utd after Ruud was sold so in essence you could argue that ruud's presence held him back
 
glazerfodder said:
I can see Rooney being sold in the summer. I think the contract was designed to serve two purposes, first to keep the player himself onside and stop his behaviour from infecting the dressing room for this season and, secondly, to ensure we get maximum value from his sale.

Last night proved two things, Rooney is never going to lay his life, heart and sole on the line for the club (if he didn't do it last night when it mattered, he never will) plus it showed that he is too inconsistent - he's at the heart of everything in one game, goes walkabout the next.

We've pandered to his ego twice, now is the time to cut and run - you never know he may even have a good World Cup and we can ask mega-bucks for him.
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If the intention was to sell him, giving him £300k per week isn't going to help in that goal.

He's going to have little desire to leave to another club that is only willing to pay... oh I don't know, £200k per week. [How many clubs will be willing to pay more than that for him after this season].

Who is going to make a bid for him whilst he is on that kind of wage? I personally think Rooney is a very good player- but you can get equal players that will demand half the wage [and that £8million per year could be invested elsewhere]. It would have made more sense to sell Rooney.

The reason Rooney wasn't sold is as a figurehead. His name/face is probably the most recognizable overseas of the current players. For that reason he may be worth more to United than he would be for any other club.
 
marc1_007:6336857 said:
Chief said:
Apart from the league in 2010-11, not that it's even remotely relevant.

We didn't win much with Ruud van Nistelrooy but would you sell him? No, because he was brilliant.

Same story here.
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Rooney was out of sorts in 2010/2011 when he wanted to leave the club so he was not the best player that season and by the way Ronaldo became the best player at utd after Ruud was sold so in essence you could argue that ruud's presence held him back
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By the way?

Gee, thanks a bunch for letting me know.

In essence, I could argue you talk utter ****e

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Chief said:
By the way?

Gee, thanks a bunch for letting me know.

In essence, I could argue you talk utter ****e

<ok>
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Maybe i might but there is no arguing the fact that After Ruud left CR7 became the best player at utd and the rest as they say is history and whether you like it or not Rooney was irrelevant for most of the 2010/2011 championship season
 
While I don't believe Rooney is 'world class' he is a excellent player, who will run through walls all day. Yes he fluffed his lines last night, but I'm not sure that would have changed the outcome. I think Kagawa and Mata are technically better players, and better suited to the number 10 role, but what Rooney lacks in technical ability he makes up with effort, especially defensively. Maybe the future could be Welbeck or RVP up front and Rooney, Mata and Kawaga behind and two midfielders. There should be enough creativity and movement from the front four to cause plenty of problems. It would also be fairly fluid as Welbeck could go out wide and Rooney up front, with Kagawa and Mata running beyond the CF, which something Utd has lacked this season.
 
Chief said:
By the way?

Gee, thanks a bunch for letting me know.

In essence, I could argue you talk utter ****e

<ok>
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Well instead of being abusive, argue why he talks utter ****e (which you obviously can't).

Good mods promote discussion rather than abuse and asinine name-calling on their board <ok>

Rooney is a great player but Marc presents an interesting, if slightly flawed case
 
London's Only EC Winners said:
Well instead of being abusive, argue why he talks utter ****e (which you obviously can't).

Good mods promote discussion rather than abuse and asinine name-calling on their board <ok>

Rooney is a great player but Marc presents an interesting, if slightly flawed case
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Good mods to me are mods that carry on their usual method of posting once becoming a mod - rather than change character and become some ego freak #gerrez


Ruff was picked to be a mod for good reasons (only 3 other Utd members on the board) <whistle>
 
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