Is it time for support?

[AlRawdah]

Why does it have to be one factor that is totally to blame?

Is Phelan at fault? Yes.
Are the Allams at fault? Yes.
Are the players at fault? Yes.

Whose job is it to reverse the rapid onset of this malaise? Everyone's. I doubt the Allams are that keen to get involved so it's down to Phelan and the players to get together and reset.

It's a shame we have a midweek fixture, they need time together at the training ground. I'd expect us to put out a first XI on Tuesday, Snodgrass excepted, with a back to basics 442 formation.

 

[Evington]

Fact is that the players stated after last Saturday that they owed the supporters after that display at Bournemouth. Looking at the attitude of most of them they couldn't have given a monkies. That was a truely shocking first half and I looked at the players and thought they couldn't careless. Their body language said as much. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes but it appeared to me that Snodgrass was being shafted yesterday and no one wanted to pass the ball to him. Has there been a massive fall out after Bournemouth. Also, to a man, these same players all wanted MP to be given the job. Now he has it they are sh.tting on him from a great height. They are being very well paid for what they are supposed to be doing and it is their duty to show desire and correct attitude. How many goals have we given away because defenders and midfield players have allowed barn door space for opponents to score. Yesterdays first goal was a point in question. The whole club is in total disarray at the moment and in fact it has been since SB walked out of the door because of young allam. The pre season build up was non existant and a total and utter shambles. The transfer deadline was again just a rush to get some players in. Why was it all last minute again? The managers situation hasn't helped. Phelan was given the job as a total afterthought because no one else wanted it. Football has seen what has been going on at this club over the last few months and the net result is no one of any credence wanted the job. Its not suprising after the way SB and Bertschin were treated. The club is now a pariah and things wont change until these owners are out of the door. They may have rescued the club but over the last couple of seasons since being refused the name change they have treated supporters appallingly and continue to do so. They will continue to dismantle this club until there is nothing left. I said many months ago on here that many long term supporters walked out of the club two years ago. I stated that we could lose over 5000 supporters who had been loyal to the club. Well it is more than that, I actually under estimated it. They put the gate down yesterday as over 18500. The truth is it looked pretty much lower at around 15-16000. They lied last season about gate figures stating that they were at around the 17000 on average yet in the accounts it was 15000 odd. This is now telling everyone what their legacy is all about. They should take note that if this carries on for much longer the gate figure for a Premier league club will become a huge embarrassment to the club and to them, It will tell its own story. Do they care you may ask. Personally I don't think they could care less about anything these days just as long as they piss off as many fans as they can.

And get a **** load of money if they ever sell

 

[Evington]

Why does it have to be one factor that is totally to blame?

Is Phelan at fault? Yes.
Are the Allams at fault? Yes.
Are the players at fault? Yes.

Whose job is it to reverse the rapid onset of this malaise? Everyone's. I doubt the Allams are that keen to get involved so it's down to Phelan and the players to get together and reset.

It's a shame we have a midweek fixture, they need time together at the training ground. I'd expect us to put out a first XI on Tuesday, Snodgrass excepted, with a back to basics 442 formation.

They had a week after Bournemouth and it didn't improve much. I am hoping to see us go for it against Brizzle. In reality they are going to go at us and win and I will drive home wondering why I bothered.

 

[The Omega Man]

We were **** when we had that 5 game losing streak under Bruce which led to the banner. What's different now? If anything we should he much more sympathetic this time after Bruce had spent so much money that season brought in Ben Area, Hernandez etc and we've signed James Weir and Will Keane. Have some perspective ffs.

I accept that we should not exclude Mike Phelan and I understand your point. I think we need a rallying point. The team had it at the start of the season with their pre and post match huddles.

I do not believe in hounding out anyone.

Fact is that the players stated after last Saturday that they owed the supporters after that display at Bournemouth. Looking at the attitude of most of them they couldn't have given a monkies. That was a truely shocking first half and I looked at the players and thought they couldn't careless. Their body language said as much. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes but it appeared to me that Snodgrass was being shafted yesterday and no one wanted to pass the ball to him. Has there been a massive fall out after Bournemouth. Also, to a man, these same players all wanted MP to be given the job. Now he has it they are sh.tting on him from a great height. They are being very well paid for what they are supposed to be doing and it is their duty to show desire and correct attitude. How many goals have we given away because defenders and midfield players have allowed barn door space for opponents to score. Yesterdays first goal was a point in question. The whole club is in total disarray at the moment and in fact it has been since SB walked out of the door because of young allam. The pre season build up was non existant and a total and utter shambles. The transfer deadline was again just a rush to get some players in. Why was it all last minute again? The managers situation hasn't helped. Phelan was given the job as a total afterthought because no one else wanted it. Football has seen what has been going on at this club over the last few months and the net result is no one of any credence wanted the job. Its not suprising after the way SB and Bertschin were treated. The club is now a pariah and things wont change until these owners are out of the door. They may have rescued the club but over the last couple of seasons since being refused the name change they have treated supporters appallingly and continue to do so. They will continue to dismantle this club until there is nothing left. I said many months ago on here that many long term supporters walked out of the club two years ago. I stated that we could lose over 5000 supporters who had been loyal to the club. Well it is more than that, I actually under estimated it. They put the gate down yesterday as over 18500. The truth is it looked pretty much lower at around 15-16000. They lied last season about gate figures stating that they were at around the 17000 on average yet in the accounts it was 15000 odd. This is now telling everyone what their legacy is all about. They should take note that if this carries on for much longer the gate figure for a Premier league club will become a huge embarrassment to the club and to them, It will tell its own story. Do they care you may ask. Personally I don't think they could care less about anything these days just as long as they piss off as many fans as they can.

I do not think that many people will disagree, but...

Can we stop all dragging over the coals of what is wrong and start to put something together to make it right.

 

[look_back_in_amber]

Why does it have to be one factor that is totally to blame?

Is Phelan at fault? Yes.
Are the Allams at fault? Yes.
Are the players at fault? Yes.

Whose job is it to reverse the rapid onset of this malaise? Everyone's. I doubt the Allams are that keen to get involved so it's down to Phelan and the players to get together and reset.

It's a shame we have a midweek fixture, they need time together at the training ground. I'd expect us to put out a first XI on Tuesday, Snodgrass excepted, with a back to basics 442 formation.

Please not 4-4-2, it's definitely calling for 3-5-2 at the moment, a blind man could see that, unfortunately Phelan may just be deaf, dumb and blind!

 

[Chilton's Hundreds]

Fact is that the players stated after last Saturday that they owed the supporters after that display at Bournemouth. Looking at the attitude of most of them they couldn't have given a monkies. That was a truely shocking first half and I looked at the players and thought they couldn't careless. Their body language said as much. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes but it appeared to me that Snodgrass was being shafted yesterday and no one wanted to pass the ball to him. Has there been a massive fall out after Bournemouth. Also, to a man, these same players all wanted MP to be given the job. Now he has it they are sh.tting on him from a great height. They are being very well paid for what they are supposed to be doing and it is their duty to show desire and correct attitude. How many goals have we given away because defenders and midfield players have allowed barn door space for opponents to score. Yesterdays first goal was a point in question. The whole club is in total disarray at the moment and in fact it has been since SB walked out of the door because of young allam. The pre season build up was non existant and a total and utter shambles. The transfer deadline was again just a rush to get some players in. Why was it all last minute again? The managers situation hasn't helped. Phelan was given the job as a total afterthought because no one else wanted it. Football has seen what has been going on at this club over the last few months and the net result is no one of any credence wanted the job. Its not suprising after the way SB and Bertschin were treated. The club is now a pariah and things wont change until these owners are out of the door. They may have rescued the club but over the last couple of seasons since being refused the name change they have treated supporters appallingly and continue to do so. They will continue to dismantle this club until there is nothing left. I said many months ago on here that many long term supporters walked out of the club two years ago. I stated that we could lose over 5000 supporters who had been loyal to the club. Well it is more than that, I actually under estimated it. They put the gate down yesterday as over 18500. The truth is it looked pretty much lower at around 15-16000. They lied last season about gate figures stating that they were at around the 17000 on average yet in the accounts it was 15000 odd. This is now telling everyone what their legacy is all about. They should take note that if this carries on for much longer the gate figure for a Premier league club will become a huge embarrassment to the club and to them, It will tell its own story. Do they care you may ask. Personally I don't think they could care less about anything these days just as long as they piss off as many fans as they can.

We'll be playing in front of 12-13k in the New Year unless the club is sold.

Cancelling a membership is easier psychologically then cancelling a season ticket.

 

[look_back_in_amber]

And get a **** load of money if they ever sell

Wrong I know but I find myself thinking what a beautiful thing it would be if we got relegated, the Allam's couldn't sell for a price that would cover their outstanding loans/debts, they had to write a ****load of money off to enable an escape, and they lose a fortune.

It's an ill wind that blows no good.

 

[Windassisgod]

Please not 4-4-2, it's definitely calling for 3-5-2 at the moment, a blind man could see that, unfortunately Phelan may just be deaf, dumb and blind!

He must definitely be f""king stupid that is a fact!!! A ridiculous decision to go with Keane on his own again especially at home.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

They had a week after Bournemouth and it didn't improve much. I am hoping to see us go for it against Brizzle. In reality they are going to go at us and win and I will drive home wondering why I bothered.

And they had two weeks to prepare for Bournemouth then played as though they'd just met each other in the car park half an hour before the game.
It cannot be easy for Phelan with staff leaving in droves but this is what they all do for a living, and a very good one they get too. I just cannot fathom out why he picked that team to play at home against Stoke when it was clearly a winnable game if we attacked them. FFS he sent a second string to their place not so long ago and beat them so what was he frightened of ? Stoke hadn't won away since March yet Phelan sets us up as though we are in a two legged tie against Barcelona and the first leg was away.
Time for the senior players to call a meeting, show some balls, and sort this mess out before it's too late.

 

[look_back_in_amber]

And they had two weeks to prepare for Bournemouth then played as though they'd just met each other in the car park half an hour before the game.
It cannot be easy for Phelan with staff leaving in droves but this is what they all do for a living, and a very good one they get too. I just cannot fathom out why he picked that team to play at home against Stoke when it was clearly a winnable game if we attacked them. FFS he sent a second string to their place not so long ago and beat them so what was he frightened of ? Stoke hadn't won away since March yet Phelan sets us up as though we are in a two legged tie against Barcelona and the first leg was away.
Time for the senior players to call a meeting, show some balls, and sort this mess out before it's too late.

I think that's probably the first ever post of yours that I'm in full agreement with.

































You're still a supersize fat bastard though.

 

[Hutch-tiger69]

The squad needed a massive refreshement after the summer

We have players like meyler, huddlestone, elomohamady, maloney even maybe hernandez who are no longer or have never been in some cases premiership class, it needed alot of investment to take us from being a yoyo club to establishing ourselfs like stoke, west brom, palace etc we also have the likes of clucas, maguire, odubajo and robertson all young players finding there way. It needed a very savvy and efficient transfer window we all knew this, it went totally tits up hardly any investment whatsover and all last ninute the prepeation has been an absolute disgrace follwed by most of the backroom staff leaving the club isnt in a good state at all we know the allams are only intrerested in how much profit they can make over how the team does currently and theyve dragged it on to create an auction and get the best possible price at the expense of the playing and coaching side of the club

All we can do is tough it out till these ****ing parasites have left the club and hope its sooner rather than later so we can possibly salvage something out if this mess really hope its done by xmas so we can see investment in january and heavey investment at that

 

[Barchullona]

I think that's probably the first ever post of yours that I'm in full agreement with.

































You're still a supersize fat bastard though.

He is none of those things.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

Wrong I know but I find myself thinking what a beautiful thing it would be if we got relegated, the Allam's couldn't sell for a price that would cover their outstanding loans/debts, they had to write a ****load of money off to enable an escape, and they lose a fortune.

It's an ill wind that blows no good.

Those twats would just sit and sit, milk the parachute payments collect the interest they charge. They are in a win win no matter what they do. They havent lost a penny since they walked through the door, though of course they will tell you they've sold the family silver to keep the club afloat.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

The squad needed a massive refreshement after the summer

We have players like meyler, huddlestone, elomohamady, maloney even maybe hernandez who are no longer or have never been in some cases premiership class, it needed alot of investment to take us from being a yoyo club to establishing ourselfs like stoke, west brom, palace etc we also have the likes of clucas, maguire, odubajo and robertson all young players finding there way. It needed a very savvy and efficient transfer window we all knew this, it went totally tits up hardly any investment whatsover and all last ninute the prepeation has been an absolute disgrace follwed by most of the backroom staff leaving the club isnt in a good state at all we know the allams are only intrerested in how much profit they can make over how the team does currently and theyve dragged it on to create an auction and get the best possible price at the expense of the playing and coaching side of the club

All we can do is tough it out till these ****ing parasites have left the club and hope its sooner rather than later so we can possibly salvage something out if this mess really hope its done by xmas so we can see investment in january and heavey investment at that

I think you missed on for two or three or four out Hutch...

 

[AlRawdah]

Please not 4-4-2, it's definitely calling for 3-5-2 at the moment, a blind man could see that, unfortunately Phelan may just be deaf, dumb and blind!

352 can end up being very defensive - 532 - if the team has no confidence and is shy of attacking. It worked a treat late on yesterday when Stoke had tired. I wouldn't be so keen to start with it though.

 

[Hutch-tiger69]

I think you missed on for two or three or four out Hutch...

Maybe so but you get the jist, the point being big investment on the playing side is needed

 

[Brucebones]

There is no doubt yesterday players were not comfortable with the formation played. Phelan in my view made several mistakes with the starting set up.

1, Keane shouldn't have been up top.
2. Hernandez should have started.
3. Snodders starting on the left doesn't work.
4. Meyler on the right doesn't work.
5. Elmo at full back for the most part doesn't work.
6. Clucas is wasted at left back.
7. We should have started 352 with Abel and Dio up top.
8. It took him until 70 minutes to change it to 352 when we looked better balanced, and finally looked threatening.

I agree we have to get behind the players, and what you saw yesterday was a team not happy with the formation they were playing in.

1. On his own, the first 10-15 minutes the others were getting close to him, then it stopped & we look lost.
2. Yes
3. He started there a few times last year & looked alright, having said that, that was the Championship & we don't have a lot of options now. He did look ****.
4. True, but no other options, unless 352 & Elmo is there.
5. He can play there but as usual his attitude is ****, for whatever reason, same as last year when Odubajo came in, this year he has no challenger so is getting picked out of necessity.
6. True, lack of options again, but he showed late on he can put a good cross in when further forward.
7. 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing, although 352 has been crying out for it for weeks.
8. True.
9. I know people go on about we can't play the kids, but with no LB & Elmo completely too comfortable with no challengers, we need something different. If ever there was a time when we need a bit of a boost, it's this season.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

I agree with a show of support. The way as a fanbase we've shown such little support lately is embarrassing.

However I think the attitude is wrong already. Last time it was yes we've been **** but moaning won't help so let's just show that we're behind them. Bruce mentioned that banner a few times so he obviously liked it. It looked brilliant on us as fans too. This time it seems like people are still so moody about yesterday that they're already talking about excluding Phelan from any show of support. That isn't going to get us anywhere.

Whether it's a banner or whatever, I'm well behind it if we're going to come together to do something showing the players and staff that we understand they're in an impossible situation and that we're behind them. Sadly I don't see that many do understand going by the posts on here.

What a crock of ****. Impossible situation my arse.
These are good players, well paid players too. Led by a bloke out of his depth.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Maybe so but you get the jist, the point being big investment on the playing side is needed

But why should the Allams or anyone else throw their personal fortune at the club?

Burnley havent spent a fortune and theyre doing better than us. We'd have beaten them easily last year if it wasnt for that clueless **** Bruce in charge. I know this cos clever ****s on here told me. We had a PL quality squad and it was all Bruces fault.

I have no problem with a small transfer budget. The FACT is it was spent poorly, piss poorly in FACT. FACT

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

1. On his own, the first 10-15 minutes the others were getting close to him, then it stopped & we look lost.
2. Yes
3. He started there a few times last year & looked alright, having said that, that was the Championship & we don't have a lot of options now. He did look ****.
4. True, but no other options, unless 352 & Elmo is there.
5. He can play there but as usual his attitude is ****, for whatever reason, same as last year when Odubajo came in, this year he has no challenger so is getting picked out of necessity.
6. True, lack of options again, but he showed late on he can put a good cross in when further forward.
7. 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing, although 352 has been crying out for it for weeks.
8. True.
9. I know people go on about we can't play the kids, but with no LB & Elmo completely too comfortable with no challengers, we need something different. If ever there was a time when we need a bit of a boost, it's this season.

Your number 4 was the solution, we should have started 352 and that was my point. With the players, we have at the moment, 352 suits. We have a dearth of full backs but a surplus of midfielders, Elmo and Clucas (if Clucas has to play out wide) is better suited to a wing back than full back. Also, it gives us 2 up front which helps Hernandez not having to play the lone striker which he is not suited too.