Inter-team battles

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BrightLampShade

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I earlier compared drivers in another thread and with only one race left I think its fair to start comparing team mates.

Qualifying

Kova-Trulli: 0.475s
Vettel-Webber: 0.427s
Glock-Custard: 0.36s
Roseberg-Schumacher: 0.327s
Alonso-Massa: 0.284s
Hamilton-Button: 0.227s
Buemi-Alguersuari: 0.225s
Maldonado-Barrichello: 0.156s
Senna-Petrov: 0.084s*
di Resta-Sutil: 0.079s
Kobi-Perev: 0.074s

HRT is too confusing <laugh>
*Not full season

The results probably arn't a suprise to most people, Kovaleinen has destroyed Trulli this year and this can be seen above. Vettel has also consistently trounced Webber but by less than the Kova-Trulli margin. Personally I didn't realise that Alonso and Massa were roughly as matched as Button and Hamilton in qualifying either. The rest, well I'll leave that for you guys.

Laps ahead of team mates

Vettel: 888-71
Alonso: 781-164
Kova: 559-239
Rosberg: 545-258
Glock: 532-178
Hamilton: 525-404
Sutil:500-471
Barri: 457-365
Kobi: 449-353
Buemi: 423-381
Petrov: 205-80

We can see Vettel, Kovaleinen and Glock are still holding their advantages, and Alonso's beating of Massa becoming more evident. What is interesting is that Hamilton on average has out qualified and been more laps ahead of Button than Button gets ahead of Hamilton. This potentially demonstrates Hamiltons issue's being incidents rather than lack of pace.

Finally

Fastest Laps

Mark Webber 6
Lewis Hamilton 3
Jenson Button 3
Sebastian Vettel 3
Felipe Massa 2
Fernando Alonso 1

We always assume its Vettel who picks up the fastest laps at races but it Webber has it sown up and the Mclarens and Ferrari's are up there with Vettel. (Not really a team mate thing, but hey)
 
I too was surprised at how close Massa is to Alonso across the season. In terms of who gets the Force India drives next season, this shows di Resta and Sutil to be fairly evenly matched in qualifying, but Sutil ahead in the races, where it really counts. Interesting!
 
Interesting stats, BLS. Thanks for taking the trouble. It's quite a different perspective compared to the results/points.
 
Some interesting stats but the qualifying ones for example don't take certain things into account - like Button being two seconds slower than Hamilton in Spa Q2 would have had a big effect on the average figure.

I read some interesting stats a week ago. I'll try to find it and post it here.
 
Forza Ferrari said:
Some interesting stats but the qualifying ones for example don't take certain things into account - like Button being two seconds slower than Hamilton in Spa Q2 would have had a big effect on the average figure.

I read some interesting stats a week ago. I'll try to find it and post it here.
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Thats kind of what I feared in the stats, I know that the Williams were something like 4 secs apart at one race. I guess the stats for quali can only show consistency rather than absolute pace. The race one should be much more relevent (despite going against the driver points in some cases ;) )
 
Found what I was looking for. These are race stats comparing teammates when both have finished the race (but unfortunately doesn't take certain things into account like slower pit stops, different strategy, bad luck, nursing the car, etc). This is pre-Abu Dhabi.

PHP: 
Red Bull - 16 races, Webber is 270.1 seconds behind. Vettel is on average 0.28 per lap faster.
McLaren - 13 races, Hamilton is 220.9 seconds behind. Button is on average 0.28 per lap faster.
Ferrari - 13 races, Massa is 449.8 seconds behind. Alonso is on average 0.58 per lap faster.
Mercedes - 9 races, Schumacher is 9.2 seconds behind. Rosberg is on average 0.017 per lap faster.

Not sure how much you could read into that.
 
They are some interesting stats, even the fact that both merc's finished only 9 races is interesting. They seem to match the points tally more, but like you say there are unusual circumstances that can skew all stats.
 
There's this guy on the autosport forums with qualifying averages between teammates but I think he excludes anomalous results:

After Abu Dhabi (Abu Dhabi difference)

1. Glock 0.51s (0,184s)
2. Rosberg 0.45s (1.134s)
3. Vettel 0.39s (0.34s)
4. Alonso 0.37s 0.565s)
5. Kovalainen 0.27s (0.905s)
6. Hamilton 0.25s (0.197s)
7. Buemi 0.22s (0.153s)
8. Sutil 0.13s (0.209s)
9. Petrov 0.12s (0.16s)
10.Perez 0.08s (0.367s)
11.Ricciardo 0.06s (0.528s)
12.Barrichello 0.045s (-)
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http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=147086&view=findpost&p=5393972
 
Some interesting stats there. The one Forza posted about Massa being six tenths slower than Alonso is a disgrace. On a one off it's a bad drive, but to average that over a season is ridiculous, how he's held onto his drive with a team like Ferrari is baffling.

I think Webber's been flattered slightly by the fact that Vettel is usually coasting, but then he has had the lion's share of Kers issues.
 
If we summerise "my" (all) and Forza's (no anomalies) stats for the top 4 in qualifying we have:

Vettel - Webber - 0.427s - 0.39s = Ave ~ 0.41s
Roseberg - Schumacher - 0.327s - 0.45s = Ave ~0.39s
Alonso - Massa - 0.284s - 0.37s = Ave ~ 0.33s
Hamilton - Button - 0.227s - 0.25s = Ave ~ 0.24s

Sort of puts a figure on what we are used to seeing
 
It was 9 thousandths, he's probably used Hamilton's Q2 time which is wrong, if he doesn't do it when it counts, it doesn't count.
 
Yeah it looks like he compared Hamilton's fastest time (set in Q2) vs Button's fastest time (set in Q3).
 
AbsolutelyGlorious said:
It was 9 thousandths, he's probably used Hamilton's Q2 time which is wrong, if he doesn't do it when it counts, it doesn't count.
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I think i get it now. Its the fastest lap in qualy whenever its set, so Rosberg & Schumacher did not improve and have q2 times counted (along with Massa/Alonso).

Not sure i agree with that. Surely The McLarens and Red Bull will not be at their maximum in Q2 and if there is a temperature change like in abu dhabi it voids the results IMO.
 
This is the problem with stats, they are read in the eyes of the reader, not the guy who gathered them. This leads to a honest stat becoming misleading.
 
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