****ing FA shortsighted pricks

[Bodinki]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/premier-league/

Trying to restrict the amount of foreigners in squads to "help England"

**** England.

They realise that under their new regulations on tightening EU players, then players like Suarez would never have been able to play in the Premier League.
The Premier league will no longer be able to create great players from non EU countries, only buy them at ridiculous market value once they have peaked.
Also limiting Non "Home grown" players even further too?!

You would think that Cristiano Ronaldo never cut his teeth in this league they way they are acting.

And the best part......England will still be ****. So this is all for nowt.
The problems with their international squad are at grass roots training level and are somewhat cultural too.
Its nothing to do with big bad foreigners taking their jobs, ffs!! If someone is good enough, regardless of nationality, then they will play.
Having foreigners has raised the bar, that's all, and exposed our grass roots training for the shower of **** it really is.

 

[Chelsea Pensioner]

Typical dumb approach by the FA toss pots. Only the "best" non EU players to be allowed, but in who's opinion, the morons at the FA?? The Clubs wouldn't bring in any player if there is someone as good or better already here, and the Clubs actually know the game unlike the FA lobster- sandwich eaters. They cite Harry Kane, and he's a good player for sure. In my opinion they'd be much better insisting that every Club play ,say 3 youngsters every season in at least one full game or 3 sub roles of 30 mins minimum,making 90 mins total per youngster. That would give youngsters heaps more exposure and opportunity to be judged on merit, and as it applies to all clubs and it would be a level playing field especially if Loan players are included.

 

[Bodinki]

Typical dumb approach by the FA toss pots. Only the "best" non EU players to be allowed, but in who's opinion, the morons at the FA?? The Clubs wouldn't bring in any player if there is someone as good or better already here, and the Clubs actually know the game unlike the FA lobster- sandwich eaters. They cite Harry Kane, and he's a good player for sure. In my opinion they'd be much better insisting that every Club play ,say 3 youngsters every season in at least one full game or 3 sub roles of 30 mins minimum,making 90 mins total per youngster. That would give youngsters heaps more exposure and opportunity to be judged on merit, and as it applies to all clubs and it would be a level playing field especially if Loan players are included.

Agree with this.
Instead of their xenophobic bullshit and targetting Johnny Foreigner, they need to concentrate on why so many UK youth players are not making the grade compared to their European counter parts. And like I said before, the real reason is grass roots training, academy and cultural attitude.

 

[Bodinki]

And to the main point I stressed in the OP.
Under the new regs, Suarez would never have been able to play for Liverpool.
Who the **** was Suarez before Liverpool, I'll tell you, he was "That cheating **** who handballed at the world cup and cheered when the penalty was missed".
He then became an awesome striker (dietary preferences aside).
Same with Ronaldo, although not non EU like Suarez, will limiting the amount of foreigners per team have stopped United buying him back in the day if that rule had been in place?
This is bullshit.

 

[GazFormidable]

It will make our league worse. The reason foreign players are technically better is the way they're trained at a young age. It might produce a handful of better players for the national side (if that many) but it will also produce a high number of bang average players who clubs HAVE to have in their squad because of the rule. It might make the national side slightly better, sure it will take a long time and even then i don't think the difference will be that big. But in terms of club football i imagine it is going to ruin our chances in Europe even further being so limited on the amount of foreign players.

However having said that, i think 10 of our 11 who started in a recent U18 game were English so we do have talented players and maybe they do just need a chance?

I'd like to see something done as i would like clubs (us in particular) to produce more English players i'm just not sure this is the way right to do it.

 

[chelsea - over 100 years of history]

As above, I don't see the merit in limiting non EU players, but I wouldn't mind seeing an extension of the home grown rule where say 3 have to start every game or be in the match day squad or something.

I don't completely buy the whole if you're good enough you'll play, especially when it comes to clubs like us and the more English players playing regularly for the best clubs can only help. Would Terry break through into our current team if he was 10 years younger?

 

[Bodinki]

As above, I don't see the merit in limiting non EU players, but I wouldn't mind seeing an extension of the home grown rule where say 3 have to start every game or be in the match day squad or something.

I don't completely buy the whole if you're good enough you'll play, especially when it comes to clubs like us and the more English players playing regularly for the best clubs can only help. Would Terry break through into our current team if he was 10 years younger?

Totally disagree.
Can you see a situation where a kid is showing promise and the coach goes, "Nah, he's English, lets flog him!".
And more English players playing regularly can only help? Help what? If you mean England then I personally couldn't give two ****s what helps them and what doesn't, nor should it be the concern of any other football club.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

The best short-term measure that could be imposed IMO is banning the transfer of under-18s up the leagues. It can't be healthy for the game for kids to be playing ad infinitum in sanitised academy games rather than being blooded as teenagers in the lower leagues.

 

[chelsea - over 100 years of history]

irUOTE="Bodanki, post: 7749271, member: 1015959"]Totally disagree.
Can you see a situation where a kid is showing promise and the coach goes, "Nah, he's English, lets flog him!".
And more English players playing regularly can only help? Help what? If you mean England then I personally couldn't give two ****s what helps them and what doesn't, nor should it be the concern of any other football club.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I meant can only help England. Ultimately we're talking about the FA here and they need to find the balancing act between helping the national team whilst also maintaining what is a brilliant domestic league/s.

I'm much more interested in seeing Chelsea do well than England but I do think bringing in limitations (such as the homegrown rule etc) would invariably result in more Englishmen getting more game time at a higher level (rather than loan stints at league 1 and 2 clubs).

Something isn't right when the German and Spanish both have better national AND club sides despite the fact their leagues have a hell of a lot less foreigners in them.

it's not just players though, English managers aren't getting the top jobs either which means when we need a new manager it's go foreign or go Sam Aladyce!!

 

[chelsea - over 100 years of history]

The best short-term measure that could be imposed IMO is banning the transfer of under-18s up the leagues. It can't be healthy for the game for kids to be playing ad infinitum in sanitised academy games rather than being blooded as teenagers in the lower leagues.

True but will probably mean the big clubs will be even more aggressive in securing the promising kids at a young age so they don't have to transfer them.

Perhaps this is where the B team thing has some merit like they have in Spain.

 

[UnitedinRed]

And to the main point I stressed in the OP.
Under the new regs, Suarez would never have been able to play for Liverpool.
Who the **** was Suarez before Liverpool, I'll tell you, he was "That cheating **** who handballed at the world cup and cheered when the penalty was missed".
He then became an awesome striker (dietary preferences aside).
Same with Ronaldo, although not non EU like Suarez, will limiting the amount of foreigners per team have stopped United buying him back in the day if that rule had been in place?
This is bullshit.

He was the cheating **** who bit several others and racially abused someone kind of guy when he left.

Not the best choice. Probably the worst player to choose in this argument. Coutinho is a better example of someone who wouldn't be here under the proposed rules.

 

[Bodinki]

He was the cheating **** who bit several others and racially abused someone kind of guy when he left.

Not the best choice. Probably the worst player to choose in this argument. Coutinho is a better example of someone who wouldn't be here under the proposed rules.

He was a douche bag, but you cannot deny he was a great player and made people want to watch the PL.
But yeah, I get your point with Coutinho.
This is just overall a bullshit rule change.
Oscar and Willian too, may not have been accessible under the new regs.
Costa probably would have got in though, but his Spanish citizenship probably would have helped.

 

[UnitedinRed]

The best short-term measure that could be imposed IMO is banning the transfer of under-18s up the leagues. It can't be healthy for the game for kids to be playing ad infinitum in sanitised academy games rather than being blooded as teenagers in the lower leagues.

The kids play at a higher level in acadamies. Have you seen some lower league football? Skill and technical ability are a big no no.

Englands issue is to much braun anr not enough brains. Kids playing for Burton Albion and Stevenage Borough are not going to learn anything at that level that will help in the top leagues.

Kids should be encouraged to learn abroad.

 

[Chelsea Pensioner]

It is a difficult balancing act, but no one has mentioned in any post the style of play. My take after 50 years of watching English football, first on TV in Oz once a week , then when living in the UK, is that English or British if you must, has always been about pace, power and graft. Blood and guts if you like, though it's more genteel now for sure. Still the great English/ British players of my era, Shearer, Brooking, Adams, Roy McFarland, Johnny Giles, Gazza, Beckham, Keane, Osgood, Terry, , more recently Bale, Harry Kane, they are all tough no nonsense players. The Europeans are quite different, the South Americans different again. There are some really skilful Brits, but you get what I mean. I think this is the real reason that the Spains and Germans are better at both Club and country level. Until the style changes I can't see the results changing especially at National level. More English youngsters will just mean more English youngsters, not a better England or Man Utd.

 

[Bodinki]

It is a difficult balancing act, but no one has mentioned in any post the style of play. My take after 50 years of watching English football, first on TV in Oz once a week , then when living in the UK, is that English or British if you must, has always been about pace, power and graft. Blood and guts if you like, though it's more genteel now for sure. Still the great English/ British players of my era, Shearer, Brooking, Adams, Roy McFarland, Johnny Giles, Gazza, Beckham, Keane, Osgood, Terry, , more recently Bale, Harry Kane, they are all tough no nonsense players. The Europeans are quite different, the South Americans different again. There are some really skilful Brits, but you get what I mean. I think this is the real reason that the Spains and Germans are better at both Club and country level. Until the style changes I can't see the results changing especially at National level. More English youngsters will just mean more English youngsters, not a better England or Man Utd.

Exactly.
Phil Neville reckons England will never improve if PL clubs keep importing "average" foreign players.
So the option is to nerf the PL by making clubs sign **** English players?
How is that going to make the English players not ****? They will still be ****, just playing at a different club.

 

[Blueman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/premier-league/

Trying to restrict the amount of foreigners in squads to "help England"

**** England.

They realise that under their new regulations on tightening EU players, then players like Suarez would never have been able to play in the Premier League.
The Premier league will no longer be able to create great players from non EU countries, only buy them at ridiculous market value once they have peaked.
Also limiting Non "Home grown" players even further too?!

You would think that Cristiano Ronaldo never cut his teeth in this league they way they are acting.

And the best part......England will still be ****. So this is all for nowt.
The problems with their international squad are at grass roots training level and are somewhat cultural too.
Its nothing to do with big bad foreigners taking their jobs, ffs!! If someone is good enough, regardless of nationality, then they will play.
Having foreigners has raised the bar, that's all, and exposed our grass roots training for the shower of **** it really is.

Exactly. I have coached at youth level and when you see coaches teaching tactic and positinal play to kids as young as six, yes six, when they should be working with a ball, then you can see where the problem is.

 

[Bodinki]

irUOTE="Bodanki, post: 7749271, member: 1015959"]Totally disagree.
Can you see a situation where a kid is showing promise and the coach goes, "Nah, he's English, lets flog him!".
And more English players playing regularly can only help? Help what? If you mean England then I personally couldn't give two ****s what helps them and what doesn't, nor should it be the concern of any other football club.

Yeah I meant can only help England. Ultimately we're talking about the FA here and they need to find the balancing act between helping the national team whilst also maintaining what is a brilliant domestic league/s.

I'm much more interested in seeing Chelsea do well than England but I do think bringing in limitations (such as the homegrown rule etc) would invariably result in more Englishmen getting more game time at a higher level (rather than loan stints at league 1 and 2 clubs).

Something isn't right when the German and Spanish both have better national AND club sides despite the fact their leagues have a hell of a lot less foreigners in them.

it's not just players though, English managers aren't getting the top jobs either which means when we need a new manager it's go foreign or go Sam Aladyce!!

You have just hit the nail on the head as to why English managers aren't getting the top jobs.
If the best this country has to offer in the managerial market is ****ing plebs like Allardyce and Redknapp, then what do you expect?

 

[Bodinki]

Do you realise an English manager has never won the Premier league?
2 Scotsman (Fergie, Dalgleish), 2 Italians (Ancelotti, Mancini), 1 Frenchman (Wenger), 1 Portugese (Mourinho), 1 Chilean (Pellegrini)
0 Englishman

 

[chelsea - over 100 years of history]

I think the grass roots argument is valid, and there is obviously an issue in that our kids are playing on bobbly waterlogged pitches most of the season and the big kids get picked first because of their physical attributes etc. A better climate would almost certainly produce better footballers (though it doesn't seem to impact Germany).

However, top class players don't come into first teams as top class players. They develop on the pitch playing with and against top class opposition in top class competitions generally. As a really basic example, I don't think Lampard would have become the player he did had we not signed him and then surrounded him with other gifted players. He'd have not developed to the same level playing in a mid table side.

So that push youngsters get by being brought into the top sides, makes or breaks them and the more that are pushed, the more will succeed. Basis percentages really. That's why IMO the Germans have a much better pool of players to choose from, because they have more Germans playing for the top clubs and being developed all the time. You stick a promising youngster in a championship side, he's never going to develop sufficiently good enough to be an international footballer 99 out of a 100 times.

Another example, is back in the 70's and 80's when most leagues were filled mostly with non foreigners, Scotland had some of the best players in the world at Liverpool in Dalglish, Souness etc. Now they can't produce any top line players because they are in such a week league and England doesn't take their players to the same extent as we did 30-40 years ago, because we have the whole of the world to take players from.

 

[chelsea - over 100 years of history]

Do you realise an English manager has never won the Premier league?
2 Scotsman (Fergie, Dalgleish), 2 Italians (Ancelotti, Mancini), 1 Frenchman (Wenger), 1 Portugese (Mourinho), 1 Chilean (Pellegrini)
0 Englishman

How many Englishmen though have had the chance? I.e been manager of a club with genuine title aspirations? Very few I'd suspect. Fergie would never get a job like United in the modern era coming from a club in Scotland. Neil Lennon ripped it up in Scotland and would at best be given the chance at a mid table premier league club.

Not that I think we've produced any brilliant managers. In fact in terms of British and Irish, I'd probably say Martin ONeil and Brendan in the last few years have looked the most capable.

It's a shame Hoddle was ruined by going to England as he had something.