He had the chance to say no with Ndong and if what you are saying is right then he deserves even more criticism for signing a player he either did not want or he did not rate, he must have sanctioned the deal. Anyway all good points you make.
I'm going to get slaughtered here
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I'd heard that N'Dong was scouted by Allardyce, but that he was way down the list as he didn't think he was worth anywhere near what he'd been quoted for him. Once England failed in the Euros, Big Sam took his eye off us for the England job.
I sometimes think that Moyes only took us on so he could try and rescue some of his reputation after failing at Man U and Sociadad and if there'd been another offer he'd have turned us down like a shot. He might ge doing well with West Ham this season,bbut didn't rip up any trees last and wasn't exactly loved during his first stint.
David Moyes didn't have to join Sunderland, no one forced him and he was paid well for his time with us. He came in with his eyes wide open, yet almost from day one his approach was one of accepting defeat and relegation. It's not like he needed the money after being paid off handsomely at Man Utd.
If you start with a negative mindset, in almost all cases you achieve bugger all. I've worked with business teams for over 20 years across numerous companies and countries, and have seen it 1st hand where a leader clearly doesn't have their heart in it. Every time that rubbed off on the team and performance was poor.
Leaders set the tempo, the tone and the attitude from the top. Moyes did none of those things and he's stain on our history.
If you start with a negative mindset, in almost all cases you achieve bugger all. I've worked with business teams for over 20 years across numerous companies and countries, and have seen it 1st hand where a leader clearly doesn't have their heart in it. Every time that rubbed off on the team and performance was poor.
Leaders set the tempo, the tone and the attitude from the top. Moyes did none of those things and he's stain on our history.
A lot of that is down to very poor management. Kirchoff was excellent under Allardyce, but he would never play more than 60 minutes, and had a very light training schedule. The fact he ended up crippled after playing 90 mins each week is down to the manager.
Kaboul wanted to leave once Moyes arrived? Motivation? Man-management? At least keep him for the season until there was a ready made replacement. Likewise with Khazri and Kone.
Kaboul was homesick wasnt he? Wanted to go back down south? Kone was desperate for a move away. He eventually signed a new contract, c/w pay rise, but then we couldnt get shot of him once we were relegated. Kirchoff barely played 90 minutes under Moyes did he? If he did it may have been a couple of times. Even so, as fitness goes, he was even more ****ed than what we feared at the time. Kazri was basically left on his tod wondering what the **** was going on.
Allardyce leaving just seemed to had created a domino effect of uncertainty throughout the club at the beginning of the season, one of which most incoming managers would have struggled to cope with. Allardyce was building something canny decent, but the foundations were wobbly.
I'm not defending Moyes, he embarrassed himself and the club, I'm just pointing out that Allardyce was sailing us through slightly choppy waters at the time, hopefully towards calmer seas, his abandonment of ship pushed us into a severe gale, then Moyes took over and created a ****storm. We had been in dangerous waters for years, Moyes basically pulled the plug before abandoning ship.
Are you serious???
He absolutely ruined us as a club and we're still paying the price for it now. He wasnt even man enough to hold his hands up and admit allowing players like Ndong, Djib to sign for ridiculous money and also letting Lens go out on loan and replacing him with Januzaj was a bad mistake. Also adding has beens like Gibson, Pienaar and Lescott to the wage bill.
He tried to act like none of it was his fault, and said to the press, he should have done his due-dillagance before taking the job on.
Because of him we had to rebuild all the hard work Big Sam had put in, and wave goodbye to the Premiership after 10 years...
Id have had a tiny bit of respect for him if he'd have just admitted he'd made an absolute mess of his time with us.
He set the tone from day 1 by saying we'd be in a relegation scrap before we'd even kicked a ball with him in charge.
What kind of manager says something like that??
https://www.givemesport.com/1394130...underland-manager-it-was-an-absolute-disaster
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West ham having a canny run but that will end soon, he might sign Danny graham with a bit of luck though such is his signings. We need to sign Pep in 2 seasons time and the great players will follow, anyhow that is another story
He had ran his race at Everton, They had piled up debt, including selling the training ground and loaning against future season ticket sales. His early work there was impressive, but after that no great shakes.
He was a patronising calamity at Utd, and he couldn't wait to get there, never mind being kidnapped. Albeit a difficult job, he took a team that had won the league by eight points to not making the top four, and winning sod all. Giving Ro Ferdinand a DVD of Phil Jagielka and telling him to study it to learn how to play centre half sums him up.
He gets the chance of a lifetime to work in San Sebastian, barely learned a word of the language, and made no attempt to adapt at all. He was useless there.
But no worries. He has had a spell in Spain, and a good long rest, so when he gets another job at an inevitably low level PL team he will be ready with clutch of interesting ideas and a list of players he would like to sign, based on his hard work scouting and studying the game here and abroad.
So he ends up here. And his laziness and arrogance immediately become evident. He had done no work at all in looking at players, hence agreeing to the pitiful Ndong and Dodgy, and then signing a host of players who were useless/ past it/ never were or never would be, that he had "worked " with in the past. He then surrendered immediately and spent his time here trying to protect his reputation, although still managing to get in a bit of bullying of female journalist who questioned his amazing abilities.
An appalling wretch of a man. West Ham may be going well just now, and that will be all down to him. But when it turns it will be the players, the board, the unfair league structure, the roundness of the ball or the weather. Maybe the pitch. But never, ever him.
The day he turned up here was a dark day. A difficult club to run, but better men, with more courage, more ability, more of a work ethic and less vanity had done far better. I cannot envisage a time when I do not loathe that man.