IF we go down

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mackemwelder said:
I get all that mate, yes we are more successful on the pitch in the Championship, we will win more games, have the highest attendances, etc, etc. But we will have a squad full of 'championship' class players, still be known as a Yo-Yo club, and still struggle to attract quality players. Not to mention the financial impact. Going down would set us back 5 seasons mate and while I am almost resigned to relegation, it doesn't get away from the fact that we will face a mountain again once (if) we get back to the EPL. We'll be starting all over again.

It doesn't matter how you try to sugar coat it, going down isn't a good thing for SAFC.
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I respect what your saying mw, respect everyone's opinions on here and honestly the pain safc fans feel bleeds through my iPad air. In regards to 'if we go to cp' I'm not Sure exactly who we'll have for the 46 game marathon but I know we'll have basically a new squad at our hands. I'm keeping An open mind cause that's abit of hope in my mind that our direction going forward needs changing.
 
mackemwelder said:
I'm sorry mate but I fail to see how you or all the others on here are saying that going down is a blessing or will do us good. Please explain yourself to a stupid **** like myself cos I just don't get it.
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Because we cant go on like this its unsustainable. Spending millions overhauling the squad every summer to escape relegation by the skin of our teeth whilst heomoriging nearly 30m a year in our financial results.

We basically need switching off and back on again I.e start from scratch in the championship and do it properly this time like Newcastle when they went down.
 
Aussie blackcat85 said:
I respect what your saying mw, respect everyone's opinions on here and honestly the pain safc fans feel bleeds through my iPad air. In regards to 'if we go to cp' I'm not Sure exactly who we'll have for the 46 game marathon but I know we'll have basically a new squad at our hands. I'm keeping An open mind cause that's abit of hope in my mind that our direction going forward needs changing.
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Regardless of what division we are in, I reckon an overhaul is on the cards, it has to be as we simply have too much deadwood on the books. That said, it will boil down to finances.
 
Wembley Cest said:
Relegation, for a club in a perilous financial position such as ourselves, can in no way ever be described as a fresh start. It's a disaster.

We have managed to have 7 woeful years in this league, scrapping and struggling in all but 1 to stay up. Bruce, MoN and PDC have left an empty legacy for Gus to take up and yet his January signings have made little or no impact at all either.

Whatever happens this season, another major overhaul is required in the summer and that's a shambolic position to still be in after such a long run in the top flight.

I think a rank and file investigation is needed in all aspects of the clubs running us required, from players to owner. We have too many inexperienced and hapless people running the administration IMO, culminating in the disgrace of the Ji incident. Short needs to take a long hard look at himself as well as the likes of Byrne etc. Big changes needed on and off the pitch and a free hand for Gus.

I can see a fire sale again in the summer where we write off millions again and a recruitment more akin to the lower leagues not the world stage. Prepare for some championship or lower players coming in.
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This seasons TV money will clear our debts Cest. They're on 40% pay cuts, 5 are out of contract and We'll shift some too. Don't worry about money fella, we'll be sweet.
 
mackemwelder said:
Regardless of what division we are in, I reckon an overhaul is on the cards, it has to be as we simply have too much deadwood on the books. That said, it will boil down to finances.
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Agree mate, this will be the time where congerton, Gus earn their coin. Looking at our squad & remaining contracts we'll be quite thin, pro's will be of course hopefully an actual midfield running our team, neg's will be how long will it take to gel? 46 games is along season but will wait & see. Accidentally hit thanked for this post lol
 
Parkersafc V.2.0 said:
Because we cant go on like this its unsustainable. Spending millions overhauling the squad every summer to escape relegation by the skin of our teeth whilst heomoriging nearly 30m a year in our financial results.

We basically need switching off and back on again I.e start from scratch in the championship and do it properly this time like Newcastle when they went down.
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No mate, Newcastle have an owner who wiped out there debt, albeit temporarily, they'll be ****ed if he ever pulls out. Ellis refuses to do this and we as a club would be in financial dire straights if we went down. You're just looking at the playing side, look at the club as a whole. We're £21m in debt now, we go down and we lose millions more in TV revenue, not to mention non renewed season tickets. Yes we'd get shot of some wages, quite a bit as well but that would only be while we're in the championship, what about if we won promotion? do you think players would come to us on championship money? would the players who go us promotion be good enough for the EPL? would Ellis learn by his mistakes and bankroll decent signings? I doubt it mate.

I agree, we need a fresh start, but I disagree that we need to get relegated to achieve this. As I've already mentioned, regardless of which division we are in, a clear out is on the cards and a lot of deadwood will be shifted.
 
mackemwelder said:
No mate, Newcastle have an owner who wiped out there debt, albeit temporarily, they'll be ****ed if he ever pulls out. Ellis refuses to do this and we as a club would be in financial dire straights if we went down. You're just looking at the playing side, look at the club as a whole. We're £21m in debt now, we go down and we lose millions more in TV revenue, not to mention non renewed season tickets. Yes we'd get shot of some wages, quite a bit as well but that would only be while we're in the championship, what about if we won promotion? do you think players would come to us on championship money? would the players who go us promotion be good enough for the EPL? would Ellis learn by his mistakes and bankroll decent signings? I doubt it mate.

I agree, we need a fresh start, but I disagree that we need to get relegated to achieve this. As I've already mentioned, regardless of which division we are in, a clear out is on the cards and a lot of deadwood will be shifted.
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No mate, ellis converted his investments into shares, we don't own money to him, it's banks we owe money to but the tv money covers the debt. As ever Our main problem is operating costs with our wage bill being well over the recommended 70% mark for the FFP
 
The Funkadelic Phallus said:
No mate, ellis converted his investments into shares, we don't own money to him, it's banks we owe money to but the tv money covers the debt. As ever Our main problem is operating costs with our wage bill being well over the recommended 70% mark for the FFP
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i never had chance to reply to the thread that got closed down due to 2 of your guys arguing with each other.

Tell you what pal, if I cant add stuff on your forum then please stay away from the Hull board.

Enjoy your Bruce induced relegation.
 
The Funkadelic Phallus said:
No mate, ellis converted his investments into shares, we don't own money to him, it's banks we owe money to but the tv money covers the debt. As ever Our main problem is operating costs with our wage bill being well over the recommended 70% mark for the FFP
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I never said we owe Ellis the money mate, I just said our current debt is around the £21m mark or was a few months back. I was just making the comparison between us and the scum, their owner wiped their debts out, well he cleared their debt and now they owe him. As you said, we owe the bank but we still owe the money, going down and losing more revenue would have a massive impact on our ability to clear these debts.
Lets not forget, most of our current squad will be gone and will cost money to replace and then there's wages. Yes, they should be significantly les but that would depend on Gus's strategy for getting us back up. My guess is that he will keep the likes of Gardner, Colback, Bardo, Brown, Cattermole, etc and push for a speedy return. Their wages will be reduced by 40% but we will still need to spend a lot of money to rebuild a depleted squad and with less revenue coming in as well.
 
mackemwelder said:
I never said we owe Ellis the money mate, I just said our current debt is around the £21m mark or was a few months back. I was just making the comparison between us and the scum, their owner wiped their debts out, well he cleared their debt and now they owe him. As you said, we owe the bank but we still owe the money, going down and losing more revenue would have a massive impact on our ability to clear these debts.
Lets not forget, most of our current squad will be gone and will cost money to replace and then there's wages. Yes, they should be significantly les but that would depend on Gus's strategy for getting us back up. My guess is that he will keep the likes of Gardner, Colback, Bardo, Brown, Cattermole, etc and push for a speedy return. Their wages will be reduced by 40% but we will still need to spend a lot of money to rebuild a depleted squad and with less revenue coming in as well.
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Ah I see, fair do's<ok>. But the tv money will clear the debt(62m minimum), the wage bill has already been slashed (falling 9.6%) but will plummet when the relegation clause take effect and the out of contract players and loan signings leave, Then we have player sales and parachute payments which are £59m over four years.

Doubt we'll resign many of the players out of contract, most of them will walk back into the premiership for free. There's only Colback I'd want to resign but he'll walk anyway.

We're not going to be loaded to rebuild but we'll be debt free. My only concern is will we be running in the black or in the red on a monthly bases.
 
The Funkadelic Phallus said:
Ah I see, fair do's<ok>. But the tv money will clear the debt(62m minimum), the wage bill has already been slashed (falling 9.6%) but will plummet when the relegation clause take effect and the out of contract players and loan signings leave, Then we have player sales and parachute payments which are £59m over four years.

Doubt we'll resign many of the players out of contract, most of them will walk back into the premiership for free. There's only Colback I'd want to resign but he'll walk anyway.

We're not going to be loaded to rebuild but we'll be debt free. My only concern is will we be running in the black or in the red on a monthly bases.
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All sounds good mate. My concern is rebuilding if we did manage to get promotion at the first attempt, we've proved time and again that the squad to win promotion isn't good enough to sustain it once you do get there.
 
UTTER BULLSHIT


Surely it would be better to build from the prem.

We gan down, we ain't coming straight back up, the longer it takes, the less likely it's gonna happen.
 
mackemwelder said:
All sounds good mate. My concern is rebuilding if we did manage to get promotion at the first attempt, we've proved time and again that the squad to win promotion isn't good enough to sustain it once you do get there.
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Lets be honest though fella, if we go down it could be a few seasons till come back up. Chance of new blueprint to laid, all tiers of the squad singing from the same hymn sheet. Let's see if Gus is the man to to turn us into the next Southampton.
 
If you showed the bottle and spirit you displayed at Hull with 9 men, you'd be well safe by now...What happened?
I'd have a fiver on you lads to bounce back immediately.
 
Duffens_Briefs said:
If you showed the bottle and spirit you displayed at Hull with 9 men, you'd be well safe by now...What happened?
I'd have a fiver on you lads to bounce back immediately.
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I wouldn't, there's a couple of season rebuild needed here, we're parting company with at least 12 players(loan and out of contract players)
 
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