Picking the right manager is a lottery. Creating the foundation of a playing system and maintaining is the vital key. Two current cases in point are Swansea and WBA. Swansea have thrived during the Martinez/Rogers/Laudrup rules because the managers believed in similar footballing philosophies; similarly WBA appointed Hodgson's assistant to carry on their system. Liverpool back in the 60s created the promotion from within and succeeded due to teams that only knew how to play one way. Take a look at the injuries these teams have suffered compared to ours and the cost of buying off the shelf replacements and that just about sums up our predicament.
How many appearances did Saha and McFadden make? Players to bulk the squad, nothing more. Danny Rose is the best left back I've seen at the club, just a shame about his dodgy hammy's. Granted, Bardo has been found out. One up front suits our squad. I know it may not be the best or most popular formation but when we only had Fletcher and Wickham (rest were ****e) that's all we could play. Are we that much better playing 4-4-2 with no recognised striker on the bench? There's character there, just look at today, 2-0 down to bring it back to 2-2. Relegation candidates would fold under that pressure. You can't expect MON to be able to turn our fortunes in a season. It's not his squad to play the tactics he wants to play. I'll judge him at the end of next season. 4 transfer windows is enough to tell you which direction we are headed in.
The sooner O'Neill ****s off the better for Sunderland. I tell you now we will be very lucky if we stay up.
Are you just trying to be thick? No left back? So you don't rate Rose? Is it Mon's fault he has picked up a couple of bad injuries? Is it his fault our player of the season 2 years ago (2nd one he'd won in a row btw) has struggled all season in Bardsley? Maybe you think we should have a bottomless pit of money after spending money on AJ and Fletcher? Maybe you think Mon should be sacked for not turning Bruces sows ears into silk purses in 15 months? You need to have a good look at yourself in the mirror pal and ask some even harder questions. Saha and McFadden cost very little and were squad fillers. As for the one up front, who would you have played all season up front with Fletcher and who would you have dropped exactly? What team would you have played? Wickham? A player on loan at Sheffield Wednesday but hardly pulling up any trees there either? Campbell? A top championship player but no EPL standard striker? Maybe you think we should have spent £12m on Bendtner? If we are no better in another 18 months then by all means call for change. To do so after 15 months makes you look thick and ill informed. I make no apologies for pointing that out?
I am guessing that MoN is the most disappointed guy. He has known success pretty much all of his managerial career, now here, a club he supported as a boy is struggling. However....he is a top quality manager. If we get rid him now or the end of the season, this club will never realise its potential, certainly not in my lifetime. I am guessing you are the type of supporter who would change the manager regular in search of the "become successful soon formula" like Nottingham Forest, Wolves, Coventry, Leeds, QPR etc etc.....do you see the pattern yet?????
Your wasting your time mate, some of our **** for brains fans are just too thick to understand what you're on about. Maybe we should go for Martinez. He's doing brilliantly with Wigan and has done for 3 years in a row now.
point out where i said i wanted another manager , i just dont like oneil , dont worry about it you are convinced but accept that a great many are not fact
I think you're right Cest'. we missed out on Cloughie all those years ago. We now have a manager that has the nous and ability to get this club moving....but alas, a section of our so called fans will drive out the man because he hasn't got us into the top ten or challenging for cups after 15 months. Makes ya' wonder doesn't it.
So you don't like O'Neill but then you don't want another manager? That must be a very complicated stance for you then? Talk about a dumb argument.
yes it is , because i dont like him it does not mean i wont support my team , even if it was my choice i would still raise what imo is at fault ,through my eyes, look through all posts cest its a jumble of opinions . we are lucky to have a forum like ours its a broad spectrum of thoughts and out looks. opinions are like bums every one has got one and they all stink at some point.
Under David Moyes (and I'd bet you'd love to have him as your manager) Everton flirted with last day relegation's for 2 out of his first 5 years and they struggled to get going under him. However, they stuck by him and supported him and after 5 or 6 seasons he got it right. Now and for the last 4 years, Everton are a major force in the EPL and cracking football team but if like a numb **** like you, their fans had judged him on his first 15 months they would have sacked him and been nowhere now. Fans like you boil my ****ing piss mate, as you seem to be demanding something we haven't had since the mid 1950's in a top class top flight team (we finished 3rd in 1950) and since our inaugural relegation in 1958, we have been ****ing ****e bar one glorious history making blip in 1973 when to be frank, we were a second tier club. Keane wasn't the long term answer, Sbragia certainly wasn't and although I initially thought Bruce may have been the one, he proved not to be the right man and just couldn't keep teams together, rebuilding every 6 months up to a point you just couldn't see any progress. In MoN we can see a man with a plan but one who simply isn't prepared to just cast a fishing net out with hope more than expectation of getting the right players in. Unlike his 3 predecessors, Martin is a shrewd and studious man who has put together a 3 or 4 year plan together to make this club once again a real force at this level. Its not going to happen with the wave of a magic wand as you seem to think but with application, determination and fortitude. We have seen the initial players in and out and players like Fletcher, Johnson and Rose are top quality regardless of current form, class is for ever. This summer will see another 3 or 4 quality additions and 3 or 4 average deadwood departing. 2013/14 will again require planning and patience but by the January window in 2014 I think we will really see much more of the MoN standards such as work rate, pace and quality that has blessed all his other teams in his wonderful managerial career. If we can overcome the short sighted plums such as yourself and give the man time and support he deserves, then maybe just maybe in another 2 or 3 years, we will like Everton fans start to see a new SAFC emerge from almost 60 years of perpetual failure. If not then we will all be soon rewarded for that lack of foresight with another Mick Buxton, Sgt Wilko, Mick McCarthy or Terry Butcher management appointment and everything ****ty that goes with it.
I didn't say you wouldn't but its obvious you would get rid of O'Neill so who is your savior exactly and how long would you give them to make us a top class side? Martinez? Hughes? Curbishley? Or do you honestly think we could attract Laudrup when he is already being targeted by the likes of Arsenal, Real Madrid and Barcelona? You need to wake up and smell the coffee pal much more than anyone on here right now. At the moment you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
Because you don't have any credible alternatives to our current position but still want rid of a quality manager after 5 mins in the job. I've waited patiently for 39 seasons, watching ****e decade in decade out just hoping and praying for a MoN type appointment and yet some fans (like yourself) happy to chuck that away at the first hurdle. Were you equally as dismayed at O'Neill when you where planning your trip to Wembley at the quarter final stage of the FA cup last year? Just who do you see out there that is better than Martin O'Neill like? He has had 1 half season and 3/4 of another season and is busy trying to right 60 years of wrongs. Its fans like you that could muddy the waters with your negative stance over MoN and ruin maybe our last ever chance to make this club once again a real force at this level and for that you will receive my very worst mate. Like that or lump it I don't give a ****e.
did you plan a trip , if you did im sorry it didnt happen for you . after all this time as a supporter of safc , i have got used to not planning anything. the best times for me was when gordon chisholm played , he used to leave tickets for me to pick up for the away games in the capital, where i was working at the time , happy days
