Ian Wright about Jude Bellingham
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I would be willing to bet my house that there are plenty of people piling onto Bellingham on twitter etc because he isn't white.
Doesn't matter if race is being mentioned or not. Plenty on twitter will jump at the chance of giving him abuse because he has a black parent.
While there will be plenty who just don't like his attitude which is by and large understandable, there will be plenty driven by race.
That's the world we have been living in for a long time now.
Big mistake from Ian Wright, this will last and cause many more problems than it solves.
He's just another part of the media but has become a bit carried away with himself in my opinion.
He needs to realise that talking about things quietly is often better than shouting about them ...
... sadly having a big mouth, and using it, seems to be increasingly normal in all walks of life.
He's just another part of the media but has become a bit carried away with himself in my opinion.
He needs to realise that talking about things quietly is often better than shouting about them ...
... sadly having a big mouth, and using it, seems to be increasingly normal in all walks of life.
When real racism and hatred exist it deserves to have a light shining into the dark places it came from and for everybody to stand up and stop it
The problem these days is, we have too many people waving torches into places that are not dark which makes it difficult to find the real hatred and to spot where the darkness is.
The problem these days is, we have too many people waving torches into places that are not dark which makes it difficult to find the real hatred and to spot where the darkness is.
Agreed and I was thinking back to less enlightened times race wise (UK 1970s) and ironically the two greatest sporting icons at the time were black and were hyped and loved by almost everyone or so it seemed as a child - Pele and Muhammad Ali.
Is this the same Muhammad Ali who spoke out persistently spoke out against the racist abuse he received throughout his life, even going as far as to throw his Olympic gold medal into a river in protest as a reaction to racism?
The guy that racists on this platform as recently as a few years ago refused to stop calling Cassius Clay as a sad tribute to racists from the 60s and 70s?
Plenty of racism around. Us pretending it's not there isn't very productive, it's just burying our head in the sand.
You're missing my point. My point was there have been black icons in the past so Jude Bellingham isn't a game changer here and nor is he arguably the first black British sports star, which was probably Daley Thompson, so Ian Wright's argument isn't, in my opinion, that relevant.
And I lived through the 70s so I know there was racism and Ali, Pele and Daley would've received it and Daley will still, so I'm not pretending it never happened or it's not still around.
A load of bollocks. Did he hear the roar when Bellingham came on?
England fans love him, they know he's one of the best players in the world, (is still bloody 22!) and we are lucky to have him .
England fans love him, they know he's one of the best players in the world, (is still bloody 22!) and we are lucky to have him .
While the conversation includes black as a term there is still a long way to go. Only when gets referred to as a superstar, not a black superstar, has racism truly gone.
That’s a fair point, I often hear the first black this the first black that and wonder why they can’t just mention how good someone is.
Having said that I’m white and can only understand up to a certain point, name calling doesn’t bother me neither do threats of violence. But I’ve never been bullied as an innocent child just because I’m black. That is vile and I’ll never understand that either.
I agree. But this conversation is about the black term. As for superstar, I’m not sure Jude Bellingham has done enough to earn that moniker yet.
It does feel to me like racism might be on the rise, but mostly as a reaction to social commentary about oppressor/oppressed dynamics being amplified in the last decade, when White people are broadly painted as an oppressing class, it's logical they will form an identity that defends themselves. This is a OG from Wright and further feeds into the trends we're seeing online and in real life.
Absolutely not reached that level yet, it’s the need to differentiate by race. Lewis Hamilton has made the transition in F1 but football and football journalism has room to improve.
It's so easy to play the race card when you don't agree with something or someone's opinion. At work, I have to review work requests and we had this one bloke who was absolutely hopeless. There was no planning to his requests saved he would often add or take off part of the work involved when he remembered. I called him out on this after I had enough of his constant amendments and got a reply where he hinted at me being racist but not actually come out with it. I made a complaint to my bosses and yes sure enough when he was asked about his mail, mentioned that my mails had racist elements to it! Rightly, he was asked to provide them and I was told even though they were strict and abrupt at times there was no racist language involved. So my thinking is, if someone plays the racist card, who is the racist? The person who is accused or the accuser when the topic of colour hasn't even been mentioned?
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I'd only commented on this briefly and dismissed Wright's comments as daft.
However, it's just dawned on me that it may be more serious than that. How will Bellingham feel about Wright piling pressure on by declaring he's a superstar. Even more so, how does Bellingham feel about being declared black ...
... I don't know how well Wright knows him but that's really quite presumptuous in my opinion.
Taking this to the extreme how dark does a man have to be before he can no longer say he's white and vice versa?
However, it's just dawned on me that it may be more serious than that. How will Bellingham feel about Wright piling pressure on by declaring he's a superstar. Even more so, how does Bellingham feel about being declared black ...
... I don't know how well Wright knows him but that's really quite presumptuous in my opinion.
Taking this to the extreme how dark does a man have to be before he can no longer say he's white and vice versa?
Ian Wright has referred to his race for being a superstar. It wasn’t a white person that done that.
Wrighty racist?
Think I have stated before that the racism commentary is used far too often and at times is now used to describe things that people dot agree with. For example X did not get the job because they were black or Jewish or Gay ect ect. Maybe hey did not get the job because there were better more qualified people interested.
Until everybody stops using racism as a crutch and stop using colour or anything else as an excuse then it is going to be difficult to change perceptions. One more note: using descriptors for describing people is normal using hate speak is not we have to be better at being able to separate the terms used against the meaning behind words otherwise we will never be able to properly integrate.