I Had To Ask
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I dont care who it affects, a win is what I always want the swans to achieve, after all the higher we go, the more money we get. **** the rest.
Interesting... looks as if the ones that are voting to relegate Cardiff are by and large happy to say so whilst the ones that want us to win are voting but not commenting. Unless it's Cardiff fans .
I voted for a Swans win (you can opt for a public poll when you set it up, then everyone can see who's voted for what - by clicking on the number of votes, as it's not obvious how to do it.)
I dont want the swans to lose ever, but it would sweeten it if Cardiff went down as a result of us losing.
Ideal scenario for me would be that Cardiff are already down, we thump Sunderland and they get relegated, Poyet resigns and comes down on the bus back to Swansea with Ki to us.
I could live with that. Especially that first bit,you know,the bit about Cardiff already being down. Yes,that bit,I like it a lot.
The poll wasn't an ideal scenario. It was a possible scenario. Saying they may well be down by then isn't the point. I deliberately kept the poll anonymous.
What the "Good for welsh football" advocates might not realise is that the best welsh players happen to be extremely talented players, and with that comes an extortionate price tag. Many here would love to see a young promising player like Jon Williams but even he must be commanding a £15,000,000 fee and is the lad even 18 years old yet?!?!
It's obvious Man Utd chose the wrong Eagle when they shelled out that figure for Zaha. There is no way Palace will let him go cheap and I am suprised they decided to let him go out on loan, he was doing well in the Prem despite their bad start.
It could all hinge around some people wanting the "derbies",but I am not fussed.
Think the Sunderland Cardiff game will be pivotal - whoever loses that will be gone! Not got a problem with Cardiff to be honest (feel free to shoot me down guys 
) but would hope that we beat Sunderland and get the extra cash that an improved league position would give us.
That said am still buzzing from the Newcastle result - is amazing how that one little match can totally transform my weekend mood!
) but would hope that we beat Sunderland and get the extra cash that an improved league position would give us.That said am still buzzing from the Newcastle result - is amazing how that one little match can totally transform my weekend mood!
To be honest I do get the "good for Welsh football" argument.
Cardiff being in the Prem means more money flooding into a Welsh club which means an opportunity to pay down their debt (will be in a precarious position if not in the Prem).....knock on effect if Wales' second club is in financial trouble is the money going to the grass roots dries up. Cardiff's academy has produced a number of Wales International footballers and long may that continue.
Also, 2 Welsh clubs in the Prem heightens the interest amongst Welsh youngsters (more TV coverage, more hype, derbies etc.). The enthusiasm generated amongst the youngsters is what will inspire more to play the game and go to games which creates the players and fans of the future.
Having established that my cool rational head concludes that Cardiff's Prem survival is good for Welsh football I must also state that my heart says;
- They don't deserve their Prem status (buying it with millions they haven't got....rigging the game....and still not being able to produce a team that plays good football)
- The way they've sold their soul is, frankly, embarrassing to us all.
- The way their fans have behaved up and down the country in the past makes it difficult to sympathise
- As a business, they are our direct rival....competing for players, staff and fans on a playing field that is tilted in their favour....their success is bad for our business.
This is one of the few examples I can think of where I would happily let my heart rule my head.
Come the last day (£750k - £3m of prize money at stake from our final position vs catastrophe for our direct business rival).....**** 'em!
Cardiff being in the Prem means more money flooding into a Welsh club which means an opportunity to pay down their debt (will be in a precarious position if not in the Prem).....knock on effect if Wales' second club is in financial trouble is the money going to the grass roots dries up. Cardiff's academy has produced a number of Wales International footballers and long may that continue.
Also, 2 Welsh clubs in the Prem heightens the interest amongst Welsh youngsters (more TV coverage, more hype, derbies etc.). The enthusiasm generated amongst the youngsters is what will inspire more to play the game and go to games which creates the players and fans of the future.
Having established that my cool rational head concludes that Cardiff's Prem survival is good for Welsh football I must also state that my heart says;
- They don't deserve their Prem status (buying it with millions they haven't got....rigging the game....and still not being able to produce a team that plays good football)
- The way they've sold their soul is, frankly, embarrassing to us all.
- The way their fans have behaved up and down the country in the past makes it difficult to sympathise
- As a business, they are our direct rival....competing for players, staff and fans on a playing field that is tilted in their favour....their success is bad for our business.
This is one of the few examples I can think of where I would happily let my heart rule my head.
Come the last day (£750k - £3m of prize money at stake from our final position vs catastrophe for our direct business rival).....**** 'em!
A well reasoned post, Terror. They're not really a Welsh club though are they? Yes I'm nit picking - based in Wales yes, but wholly foreign owned. I believe we have more Welsh players than them too but I might be wrong.
I take your point on the Academy. Theirs has been pretty good in recent years but if Welsh youngsters are good enough they'll be picked up by someone. Doesn't have to be a local club. Plenty of players never started at their local club. I may be wrong but didn't Bellamy go off to the Canaries when he was very young, and there are others. Bale?
For me there is evidence that having two teams in the Prem hasn't helped the national team at all. Our last campaign was woeful, though long term that may change I don't know.
I take your point on the Academy. Theirs has been pretty good in recent years but if Welsh youngsters are good enough they'll be picked up by someone. Doesn't have to be a local club. Plenty of players never started at their local club. I may be wrong but didn't Bellamy go off to the Canaries when he was very young, and there are others. Bale?
For me there is evidence that having two teams in the Prem hasn't helped the national team at all. Our last campaign was woeful, though long term that may change I don't know.
