Match Day Thread Hull City v Middlesbrough

[Top_Tiger]

"I said to the ref at the end, there is a consequence to that (decision). I've just seen it back, it isn't a free-kick, Toby gets the ball cleanly and then it's their throw-in. I understand it's hard, but it's a really soft free-kick, but listen, he's given it and we have to defend it better.

"I always say to the players what I say to myself and that's you have to look after yourself first and what can you do better. We have to defend that a lot better, the first phase, the second phase and the third phase it comes back in and hits Toby and goes in."

“I’m really disappointed with the performance," he said. "First half, I thought they were better than us. I don’t think they caused us many problems but they were more aggressive than us.

“That was the message at half-time – believe in yourselves and try. Be brave.

“I thought the first 15-20 minutes we were excellent in the second half. All the momentum was with us but football has got an awful way of punching you in the nose.

“You have to keep believing and stick to the process. I thought their heads probably went down a bit when that second goal went in. We have to do better. The only thing we can do is improve.”

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this is the goal. Ozan and Toby look scared of the ball.

 

[tigerrev]

At least Daws gives an honest appraisal of the game

 

[tigerrev]

this is the goal. Ozan and Toby look scared of the ball.

Who was supposed to be picking up their number 26? Typical of our shoddy defending this season

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

"I said to the ref at the end, there is a consequence to that (decision). I've just seen it back, it isn't a free-kick, Toby gets the ball cleanly and then it's their throw-in. I understand it's hard, but it's a really soft free-kick, but listen, he's given it and we have to defend it better.

"I always say to the players what I say to myself and that's you have to look after yourself first and what can you do better. We have to defend that a lot better, the first phase, the second phase and the third phase it comes back in and hits Toby and goes in."

“I’m really disappointed with the performance," he said. "First half, I thought they were better than us. I don’t think they caused us many problems but they were more aggressive than us.

“That was the message at half-time – believe in yourselves and try. Be brave.

“I thought the first 15-20 minutes we were excellent in the second half. All the momentum was with us but football has got an awful way of punching you in the nose.

“You have to keep believing and stick to the process. I thought their heads probably went down a bit when that second goal went in. We have to do better. The only thing we can do is improve.”

Last line
It isn’t
We could get worse

 

[highpeak tiger]

Where does that leave us?

League 1

 

[AlRawdah]

Can anyone explain why Jones wasn't sent off for shoving over Coyle? Is it a red card for shoving someone to the ground face-on, but just a yellow for shoving someone over from behind?

 

[Tony Angelino]

We look completely impotent playing 1 striker. I felt sorry for Oscar last night with no service and no support. It was a thankless task.

Any opposition team will only need look at our goals against column and stick two up front, knowing opportunities for goals will be in abundance because of our piss poor ability to defend. If their strikers can’t score, one of our haphazard defenders will duly oblige.

We play (for some reason I can’t fathom) oscar then slater and doc outwide. We only debated on here a few weeks ago having doc and slater as the holding midfielders

 

[bradymk2]

What was sinik signed for?
I'm not questioning his ability
But he is not a winger, he offers the same as all the other non wingers
No pace or drive or directness

With allahyar, tetteh, traore, tufan, pelkas and seri
Where does he fit?

Its clear for some games we massively lack width and pace but we don't have anyone to offer that

Only options are play christie in an attacking place with fleming on the otherside
Greaves and coyle behind them
At least fleming and christie make runs with some bit of pace while giving more defensive balance to the exploited wide areas

Get longman back in

And hope we get some results before we fall into the pit of no return

 

[Ehab's Member]

Because we don't have a Smallwood type, Seri and Woods are both playing a similar role, not strictly defensive-minded midfielders, I've been saying for a while we need one ASAP, better than Smallwood but that sort of player. We conceded goals from that area against Blackpool and Rotherham when Christie was at right back, because he is more advanced and doesn't have the speed to get back to defend, so until we do get a covering defensive midfielder I just think having Coyle behind would help to minimise the threat there.

You don't need to be "that sort of player" to spot that your fullback is out of position. It's basic football sense. If we're really saying that neither Woods nor Seri have it, then we really are in the ****.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

You don't need to be "that sort of player" to spot that your fullback is out of position. It's basic football sense. If we're really saying that neither Woods nor Seri have it, then we really are in the ****.

I couldn't agree more, this has to be a priority come January along with one or maybe two centre backs who are big and commanding.

 

[Jim the Tiger]

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this is the goal. Ozan and Toby look scared of the ball.

They're scared of handballing or fouling a player, not the ball. Very harsh to criticise them both for this very short clip. Criticise the reason it ends up there, not the blokes who have a split second to react to something that is at a horrible height and speed to be dealing with on your own line.

If anything Tufan could have swung a leg earlier and attacked that ball but it's hard to see where he came from and why he was even there. Personally I'm wanting Baxter off his line and playing at that ball.

 

[Evington]

If he doesn't give that then they don't score, but I agree we still need to defend it.

I still say if we got the breaks they got at key times then we win that as handsomely (scoreline wise) as they did.

Daws says you make your own luck. I tend to agree.

You have to work to make things happen. There is a malaise and I'm not sure why. Players feeling ambivalent maybe, not sure about their future (who is in who is out?), don't know what's happening with the manager situation? That appears to be resolved now so the hard work has to begin.

 

[Evington]

We don't have the luxury of great pace so they're not looking for the channels and when heads drop so does movement so we run out of ideas. Not great when someone's deep, getting pressed and no outball.

We are definitely lacking pace throughout the team

 

[NewcastleTiger]

That’s true for sure, but I also think the contrast between Oscar and Longman shows how relatively immobile Oscar is - and mobility is key for a lone striker. We looked much more of a threat going forward at Blackpool and Rotherham, benefitting from Longman’s running and link play.

Oscar is definitely not immobile he’s just playing up front with no balls for him to run onto as we played 2 central midfielders out wide

 

[bradymk2]

They're scared of handballing or fouling a player, not the ball. Very harsh to criticise them both for this very short clip. Criticise the reason it ends up there, not the blokes who have a split second to react to something that is at a horrible height and speed to be dealing with on your own line.

If anything Tufan could have swung a leg earlier and attacked that ball but it's hard to see where he came from and why he was even there. Personally I'm wanting Baxter off his line and playing at that ball.

the more i see it
i'm not sure why the keepers not getting that
it wasn't some super fast whipped in ball

 

[Jim the Tiger]

the more i see it
i'm not sure why the keepers not getting that
it wasn't some super fast whipped in ball

As I said nobody would use a clip that short to put blame on someone but if you need to pick someone in there it is Baxter for being too hesitant to take command of his area. Still harsh though.

 

[Evington]

the more i see it
i'm not sure why the keepers not getting that
it wasn't some super fast whipped in ball

Baxter is struggling.

 

[bradymk2]

As I said nobody would use a clip that short to put blame on someone but if you need to pick someone in there it is Baxter for being too hesitant to take command of his area. Still harsh though.

i'd like to see a goalkeeping coaches opinion on it
but baxter is so still in that whole scramble, then just stands still and watches it like a spectator

the ball lands 2-3 yards from him, surely a keeper is diving for that using their hands...
thats part of their job no?

 

[Ron Burguvdy]

Baxter is struggling.

Symptomatic of a team that is struggling

 

[Jim the Tiger]

i'd like to see a goalkeeping coaches opinion on it
but baxter is so still in that whole scramble, then just stands still and watches it like a spectator

the ball lands 2-3 yards from him, surely a keeper is diving for that using their hands...
thats part of their job no?

Yup, be brave.