Sorry for asking but aren't these the same players who people on here were saying in the summer must be forced to stay if we had any chance of going straight back up and surely it is the presence of these players which causes people to say that we have a strong squad. Regarding the playing ability of our Manager please remind me who Wenger and Mourinho played for. A Manager can only do his job then it is down to the players. 3-1 up at Newcastle with a few minutes to go and we had 3CB's, 2FB's, a DM and another player who can play FB on the pitch - what more can he do? Pulis teams line up like that for 90mins and don't concede. If, as you say, the players will not put the effort in then he has to sell them - then listen to the abuse he would get. Last Saturdays debacle worries me but can we just wait and see the reaction of the Manager and the players before we go into hysterics.