Head Coach Performance

[marcusblackcat]

Great post. Absolutely bang on. Those who are critical of Beale and the club actually care, we can see what is wrong.

I have been critical of Beale, and I will be, but I do this on here. Criticism of the manager at a game is as good as hoping we lose. It shows zero support to those on the pitch actually trying to win games. Only serves your own agenda

 

[John Wick]

See I get that, but, sadly, I disagree. You know the score, I know the score, certain fans on here know the score, but the 8 big lads who sit behind me and make a **** load of noise when things go wrong, don’t give a flying **** about the young players. Those shouting for his head last week much the same.

Literally calling a 19 year old for missing a chance. Slagging young players for a cross or meeting an attacker (including Clarke btw). I want to take umbrage with them, but I’m 5’ 6” Snd 11 and a half stone! They look like the type who would literally fight with their own fans if they disagreed! Just not worth it.

I hate it. I hate negativity at games from fans, it dies no one any good. I see how badly we’re playing, I still try to get behind the team. But it’s a forlorn task.

You can reason with some people mate. Wate of time. Probably people that see a match day as a pissup and the football is secondary.

 

[vic9]

I have been critical of Beale, and I will be, but I do this on here. Criticism of the manager at a game is as good as hoping we lose. It shows zero support to those on the pitch actually trying to win games. Only serves your own agenda

 

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WMS not letting this go

If you watch the full video, the only thing he's saying is that you get more young players in the south coming through at different ages due to the population, where as in the North you have to develop the ones you've got from aged 9 so you have to be more patient.

I didn't know who made this original cut but it's really ****ing disgraceful if it's WMS. Deliberately misleading out own fans to promote their own agenda. That's completely unacceptable.

 

[Smug in Boots]

If you watch the full video, the only thing he's saying is that you get more young players in the south coming through at different ages due to the population, where as in the North you have to develop the ones you've got from aged 9 so you have to be more patient.

I didn't know who made this original cut but it's really ****ing disgraceful if it's WMS. Deliberately misleading out own fans to promote their own agenda. That's completely unacceptable.

On the plus side it proves, beyond doubt, that some people really do have an agenda and are trying anything to persuade people to 'join their cause' ...

... never mind if it has a detrimental effect on the club, that's irrelevant to them.

They only want to be seen as right and cleverer than the rest of us thickies.

 

[smithy in nl]

Is it really as toxic as everyone is making out tho? Few fans shouted for his head last game because let’s face it the footballs not been prity or effective since he took over.

the internet has always been a joke and like most have said they probably don’t go to games anyway. It was only a few wks ago we played the scum and the atmosphere was amazing.
If the team perform the fans will too it really is as simple as that.

 

[Young Ted]

So, I've just sat and watched Michael Beales presser from today.

The first actual set of questions purely about football wasn't until around 7:45. Up until then the questions put forward by the media were absolute ****e. Labled sarcastic because he's must have been asked umpteen times about not being liked. I feel the "Crisis" comment was aimed at the doom and gloom "Reporter" that's started the interview banging on about social media and not at the wider fan base. The media smell blood and they're looking for a headline.
He gave facts and it's crystal clear he knows we need fire power up front.

Beale didn't want to divert and brought every ****e question back to football focus (not the show).

One thing I'd question is the need he feels to protect the young players, he doesn't need to do that as the fans know the score.

I'm struggling to see what the problem is with that interview?

All of the above, once again is in my opinion.

ps, I myself have said about probably never warming to him, however, I'm not one to go with the flow when I see what's in front of my face. Absolutely everyone has their right to an opinion, but at the minute, it's trendy to be against Beale... much like fans that were called mugs for still going to the games during double dip relegation where its was "cool" not to go. Each to their own.

Wick

Well Mr Wick that’s about as good as it gets tried to put that over to the lads last night but it didn’t quiet come out as good

 

[The Exile II]

Is it really as toxic as everyone is making out tho? Few fans shouted for his head last game because let’s face it the footballs not been prity or effective since he took over.

the internet has always been a joke and like most have said they probably don’t go to games anyway. It was only a few wks ago we played the scum and the atmosphere was amazing.
If the team perform the fans will too it really is as simple as that.

The first ten minutes always sets the atmosphere at matches. The manager and players have complete control over what the crowd does.

Get in amongst them, move the ball quickly and get on the front foot.

 

[Ronsafc]

The first ten minutes always sets the atmosphere at matches. The manager and players have complete control over what the crowd does.

Get in amongst them, move the ball quickly and get on the front foot.

Never seen the fans boo the team coming out at start of match, it only ever starts when we are playing badly or go a goal behind and the manager takes forward off who is playing ok for a midfielder or leaves players on who every man and his dog is struggling.

 

[John Wick]

Well Mr Wick that’s about as good as it gets tried to put that over to the lads last night but it didn’t quiet come out as good

just how I see it mate

 

[TopCat.]

I have been critical of Beale, and I will be, but I do this on here. Criticism of the manager at a game is as good as hoping we lose. It shows zero support to those on the pitch actually trying to win games. Only serves your own agenda

Agree, but frustration gets the better of people eventually. I've never agreed with booing or aggressive chanting, but everyone has their breaking point and when you've paid out thousands of pounds over the years supporting the club and you can see a lack of effort, or application then it's understandable.

 

[DH4]

If you are the manager of any football club and casually dismiss it's fans as "outside noise" then it only ever ends one way. If this is happening 6 weeks into his tenure imagine how it would be in 6 months. Dead man walking in my opinion.

 

[Monkey69]

Some have conveniently forgotten that TM’s football this season didn’t match that of the last one and his last 10 games weren’t promotion form.

That is exactly the point whilst MB has not really changed a great deal on the pitch he will be working closely with the coaches who were the same ones we had under Mowbray so the question is how much influence do they have. Dodds was in charge of youth development and by all accounts was fantastic but we as fans have no idea on his influence with first team affairs now or when TM was here, Proctor has also been a constant in that regard. MB is head coach so ultimately the buck stops there but my question is when did we as a club decide to change style of play from the free flowing high press of last season, which to be honest got us plaudits and was very entertaining and we adopted this approach even when we had no strikers or Center Half's.
Somewhere between last season and about 2 to 3 months ago this has changed and our club has adopted a different approach, only time will tell if this was the right decision but it may ultimately cost MB and it may already have cost TM their respective jobs.

Wondering if anybody else has any thoughts on this or am I reading too much into it.

 

[Ronsafc]

Could it be to do with a underperforming player player playing in a pivitol position and never getting dropped, just a suggestion.

 

[The Norton Cat]

That is exactly the point whilst MB has not really changed a great deal on the pitch he will be working closely with the coaches who were the same ones we had under Mowbray so the question is how much influence do they have. Dodds was in charge of youth development and by all accounts was fantastic but we as fans have no idea on his influence with first team affairs now or when TM was here, Proctor has also been a constant in that regard. MB is head coach so ultimately the buck stops there but my question is when did we as a club decide to change style of play from the free flowing high press of last season, which to be honest got us plaudits and was very entertaining and we adopted this approach even when we had no strikers or Center Half's.
Somewhere between last season and about 2 to 3 months ago this has changed and our club has adopted a different approach, only time will tell if this was the right decision but it may ultimately cost MB and it may already have cost TM their respective jobs.

Wondering if anybody else has any thoughts on this or am I reading too much into it.

I don't know that it's necessarily a conscious decision or a tactical choice. The fact that Beale said he wants them to play the ball into the final third quicker would support that.
Could be something as simple as something affecting a particular player's confidence, so he takes an extra touch or plays a simpler pass, slowing the game down. By which time the forward momentum has been lost and the build up has to be slower.

 

[Monkey69]

I don't know that it's necessarily a conscious decision or a tactical choice. The fact that Beale said he wants them to play the ball into the final third quicker would support that.
Could be something as simple as something affecting a particular player's confidence, so he takes an extra touch or plays a simpler pass, slowing the game down. By which time the forward momentum has been lost and the build up has to be slower.

I understand that regarding the slow build up but we have noticeable stopped the high press and winning of the ball in the opposition half and TBH our transition from defense to attack used to be very quick and now that seems to have disappeared. Just seems to me that we recruited in the Summer for one style of play then expect the players to play a totally different style and that surely means that the recruitment did not match the style of play. Just an opinion of course but I am trying to look for a reason why we almost fell of the cliff so to speak.

 

[Chunksafc]

I understand that regarding the slow build up but we have noticeable stopped the high press and winning of the ball in the opposition half and TBH our transition from defense to attack used to be very quick and now that seems to have disappeared. Just seems to me that we recruited in the Summer for one style of play then expect the players to play a totally different style and that surely means that the recruitment did not match the style of play. Just an opinion of course but I am trying to look for a reason why we almost fell of the cliff so to speak.

I can see the reasoning behind the slower play at times. Trying to draw the opposition out, freeing up space for us to exploit but we seem to have gone too far the other way and even if we draw them out a bit, we dont appear to pick the pace up and exploit things quickly.

Ive mentioned before the Bristol City game where we were pinging diagonal balls for the first 20 minutes, looked threatening and then just stopped. I dont think we have tried that since

 

[The Norton Cat]

I understand that regarding the slow build up but we have noticeable stopped the high press and winning of the ball in the opposition half and TBH our transition from defense to attack used to be very quick and now that seems to have disappeared. Just seems to me that we recruited in the Summer for one style of play then expect the players to play a totally different style and that surely means that the recruitment did not match the style of play. Just an opinion of course but I am trying to look for a reason why we almost fell of the cliff so to speak.

I thought we pressed better against Hull. It's still not as aggressive as it has been previously but that could be a confidence thing too.
I don't think we'd recruit to play a high tempo game and then make a tactical decision not to play that way. Like I said, Beale said he wants them getting the ball in the final third quicker, so he clearly doesn't want the slow build up.

 

[The Legendary Tongue]

Could it be to do with an underperforming player player playing in a pivitol position and never getting dropped, just a suggestion.

One man doesn’t make a team, but I don’t think the players are attacking quick enough as a group. No way are they being told to stop looking for the ball 30 yards out and while you're on swap boots over so you left is on your right so your shooting/ passing can be as ****e as possible.

 

[Monkey69]

I think this kind of discussion is a lot more beneficial than just slagging off the head coach as it is more about the reasons why we have changed or the tactics deployed for certain games as I believe this has been going on since before MB arrived but at the moment he is carrying the can for it which is on the face of it a little unfair however he gets to take the plaudits when things are good but also the negatives when things are bad, it is up to him to implement the changes required so I am hopeful that even if results are not exactly what we want I would love to see a more considered attacking style of play to get us off our seats and supporting again., we need to find that excitement and optimism from last year and give us fans that reason to brag and talk about our team again.