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NO they have appointed a well respected manager who has steadied the ship which was badly needed after sacking Eustace who was doing an ok job to accommodate the high profile Rooney who proved to be an absolute disaster . We probably need the same kind of action if we aspire to reach the playoffs which is still possible though unlikely if we continue with the football we are playing at the moment- either Beale needs to change or we need to change Beale as most Rangers fans would tell you.

exactly, people saying we would look like a bad club and nobody would want the job is just simply not true.
 
I agree with your view.

Social media has become something bigger than the sum of its parts tbh.

It's often said that this place is like a pub, fair enough.

No offence to those who post about Beale, the model, Speakman, the owner, etc, that's all fine and reasonable ...

... but if this was a pub, and exactly the same thing was repeated again five minutes later then again, people would drink up and move on. RTB puts up an excellent match thread but even that becomes the same argument.

No hope or optimism is allowed and anyone showing any becomes a substitute target for the club. Eventually they can't be bothered to respond any more and those attacking the club 'win the argument'.

I've noticed that people who usually post aren't bothering, almost every thread becomes the same rant about toxic atmospheres, sackings and how the club is an embarrassing joke.

In any pub there should be a bit more than endless doom and gloom.

Thats just my view.
Well you can certainly see why some fans sit in a row on their own when it’s full in front of them and behind them. <laugh>
 
I will expand upon me having lots of sympathy for Beale.

He was not ready for this job, the way he wasn’t ready for Rangers.

There wasn’t a chance in hell he would turn it down if offered it. But he really needed to manage a smaller club with lower expectations first, to prove he can be a number 1.

Instead he’s been given a battle he had no chance of winning, and this will likely now be his last ever job as a number 1.
0 sympathy here. He shouldn’t have walked away from QPR.
 
I will expand upon me having lots of sympathy for Beale.

He was not ready for this job, the way he wasn’t ready for Rangers.

There wasn’t a chance in hell he would turn it down if offered it. But he really needed to manage a smaller club with lower expectations first, to prove he can be a number 1.

Instead he’s been given a battle he had no chance of winning, and this will likely now be his last ever job as a number 1.

Not a number 1 ever imo, unless he works at a lower level (league 2 maybe 1 at a push) to get the experience etc... learns not to blame everyone in his first few weeks or at least not to the press. Maybe learns a bit more than putting on great coaching sessions.

But you are right he isn't going to turn down the job is he? I don't think sacking him so soon will work out too well either, unless they give it to Dodds until end of the season. They will struggle to get anyone in as we will look like a poorly tun club.
 
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I think this idea that he doesn't know what to do as the top man is a bit wide of the mark, to be honest.

Plenty of people have taken on the manager/head coach job with only minimal prior experience. Steven Gerrard and Pep Guardiola for example. Beale has had much more experience in coaching/management than either of those two had, so should understand the job much better. You don't say to the apprentice/graduate (delete as applicable) at work "don't aim for the top job, son; you're on the bottom rung of the ladder now so you can only get to the third one".
 
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I think this idea that he doesn't know what to do as the top man is a bit wide of the mark, to be honest.

Plenty of people have taken on the manager/head coach job with only minimal prior experience. Steven Gerrard and Pep Guardiola for example. Beale has had much more experience in coaching/management than either of those two had, so should understand the job much better. You don't say to the apprentice/graduate (delete as applicable) at work "don't aim for the top job, son; you're on the bottom rung of the ladder now so you can only get to the third one".
…then it’s time he proved himself, isn’t it? He’s been a joke so far, as expected.
 
See, I don't get this at all. How is he anymore disconnected than, say, Dick Advocaat or Gus Poyet? Or even Tony Mowbray, a man who prior to coming here was inextricably linked to a club who see themselves as one of our closest rivals? Surely he is even more disconnected than Beale?
The way I see it, Mowbray, Advocaat and Poyet all “got” SAFC. All understood us as fans. From watching and listening to Beale, I’ve felt disconnected.

It might nit be how it is, it’s just how I feel about him.
 
…then it’s time he proved himself, isn’t it? He’s been a joke so far, as expected.
He hasn't though, that's nonsense.
Its all very well saying "he should have done this or he should have done that". If we can see it, he sure as hell can see it. You have to ask why he hasn't done it. And the reason won't be just because he felt like it.
 
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It’s this kind of crap as well that gets me. F&ck wanting Sunderland to lose <doh>
He’s more than likely taking the piss but even still I completely see his point. Fans are unhappy. They will never want Beale. A run of bad results will no doubt see him gone as fan discontent will be to much. People will not bother renewing. I’d take losing the next few so he’s gone sooner. Rather than putting a small run together only for us to be back at square one a few weeks later. It’s just delaying the inevitable
 
The way I see it, Mowbray, Advocaat and Poyet all “got” SAFC. All understood us as fans. From watching and listening to Beale, I’ve felt disconnected.

It might nit be how it is, it’s just how I feel about him.
I'm not sure that I see quite the same thing. I don't particularly warm to him as a bloke, but I don't really think I'd want to go for a pint with Speakman either. So I kind of understand where you're coming from.

I'll defend him against the rubbish people are talking about him though, whether I think we'd be mates or not (I'd definitely have been mates with Dick Advocaat, mind!).
 
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He hasn't though, that's nonsense.
Its all very well saying "he should have done this or he should have done that". If we can see it, he sure as hell can see it. You have to ask why he hasn't done it. And the reason won't be just because he felt like it.
He just isn’t good enough. Shouldn’t be anywhere near SAFC.
 
Well you can certainly see why some fans sit in a row on their own when it’s full in front of them and behind them. <laugh>

Yep,a few around me in the East Stand. They moan like **** at the first misplaced pass,disappear for a piss and a pint 5 mins before half time and leave 10 mins from the end if we're winning, 15 mins if we're getting beat.
 
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He hasn't though, that's nonsense.
Its all very well saying "he should have done this or he should have done that". If we can see it, he sure as hell can see it. You have to ask why he hasn't done it. And the reason won't be just because he felt like it.

If he can see the issues then I'd love t know why he isn't doing something about it, no matter the opposition it is same formation, same tactics, players needlessly out of position. Even the substitutions are like for like other than when it gets desperate on 85+ minutes, even then the worst performing players stay on the pitch.
 
If he can see the issues then I'd love t know why he isn't doing something about it, no matter the opposition it is same formation, same tactics, players needlessly out of position. Even the substitutions are like for like other than when it gets desperate on 85+ minutes, even then the worst performing players stay on the pitch.
Well, he is changing things- it was a different shape in midfield against Hull than it was against Ipswich.

The obvious answer is that something that's happened in training or behind the scenes has led him to believe that, for example, Ba and Pembele aren't ready to play a full 90 minutes. He's privy to much more information about the players than we are.

The only real question mark is why Jobe can't be dropped.
 
Well, he is changing things- it was a different shape in midfield against Hull than it was against Ipswich.

The obvious answer is that something that's happened in training or behind the scenes has led him to believe that, for example, Ba and Pembele aren't ready to play a full 90 minutes. He's privy to much more information about the players than we are.

The only real question mark is why Jobe can't be dropped.

All I saw against Hull was he had Jobe and Pritchard fighting for the same space, while the latter had to also try and cover the right wing somehow.

Like you say Jobe is the real question currently.
 
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All I saw against Hull was he had Jobe and Pritchard fighting for the same space, while the latter had to also try and cover the right wing somehow.

Like you say Jobe is the real question currently.[/QUOTE]

Agree,but it isn't the only one. We have to get more penetration on goal. Our play in the final third is woeful. Rusyn is far too lightweight,he's willing enough,but these defenders are just muscling him out. In the absence of Roberts,Ba has to play wide right and we need another option up front.....neither Burstow or Hemir have shown anything.