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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
If you read, I don't try to take over. I ask a question or make point, then others divert it and try to make it personal, like you and several posts before have just done, and the other thread linked demonstrates.

It rarely gets to a decent discussion because of those divertions.
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I don't 'make it personal'. What I do is call you out for being a complete time waster after you've already ruined pages and pages of a thread. I hardly ever make any comments at all, I barely get chance when your hurricane of nonsense is in full flo.
 
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Walter Sobchak said:
I don't 'make it personal'. What I do is call you out for being a complete time waster after you've already ruined pages and pages of a thread. I hardly ever make any comments at all, I barely get chance when your hurricane of nonsense is in full flo.
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Have a look at the last dozen or so replies. I made a point. The replies have little to do with discussing that point, and more to do with silly and inaccurate comments about me.

It typifies these type of exchanges, and highlights who is ruining threads. It's putting others off joining in.

Yours and similar replies from the usual others are the problem, not the solution.

I'm more interested in discussing if the pending actions should be discussed more openly and widely. I'm not sure why that's so controversial.
 
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Newland Tiger said:
Wake up to yourself DMD
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I'm wide awake.

Maybe I should shift the ****e onto a 'call Dutch pointless names' thread, so others could feel inclined to discuss the protests?

Amazing that some post ****e and disrupt a thread, to accuse me of doing that by asking a question. <laugh>
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Is that really your contribution to a discussion that you're trying to accuse me of disrupting?
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I haven't accused you of disrupting anything.

I was genuinely questioning your state of mind, as you don't see to be aware of the content of your own posts. Or anyone else's, really. You seem to be stranded in some sort of alternative reality.
 
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renegadetiger said:
I haven't accused you of disrupting anything.

I was genuinely questioning your state of mind, as you don't see to be aware of the content of your own posts. Or anyone else's, really. You seem to be stranded in some sort of alternative reality.
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Aye, fancy me expecting a group.protesting about the club not engaging with fans, to take the opportunity to engage with fans itself.
 
renegadetiger said:
Groundhog Day.
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Certainly is. You could almost write the replies and the authors before hand.

Meanwhile, the trust wants to grow, and has asked for input from all fans, so it's possibly better all round if that was the discussion and is the reason I posted earlier. <ok>
 
renegadetiger said:
They've asked for input from all fans you say? Great. Then they're engaging, as you wished. Convo done.
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They'd perhaps reply on here too of others didn't insist on childishly disrupting the threads each time.

Open discussion on forums like this is what they've asked for. It seems a step forward if that was allowed to happen.
 
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Its Tuesday only a few more days to go before our protest or protests.

The Trust have something planned involving red cards together with other ideas that are top secret because of the stewards. The red cards will have writing on them, but what I haven't seen what. Elsewhere there are plans for a walk-out at 19:04 until half-time. There is a march from the Lair to a pub to watch the game. Some people want a pitch invasion and there's talk of a sit-in after the game. Then there is the call to boycott the game.

There appears to be no concentrated effort to the get the various protesters together to agree on what we are going to do. There seems to be no attempt to put together a list of demands/concerns with which to approach the club to try and get them resolved. To me it seems our only demand is Allams out, an all or nothing that may require years to achieve.

The media will be waiting to see what we do, the eyes of the world will be watching and we've had the advance publicity about the state of the club.

All Dutch appears to be asking is: are we organised enough to produce a united protest that the vast majority of supporters will join in with.
 
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Obadiah said:
Its Tuesday only a few more days to go before our protest or protests.

The Trust have something planned involving red cards together with other ideas that are top secret because of the stewards. The red cards will have writing on them, but what I haven't seen what. Elsewhere there are plans for a walk-out at 19:04 until half-time. There is a march from the Lair to a pub to watch the game. Some people want a pitch invasion and there's talk of a sit-in after the game. Then there is the call to boycott the game.

There appears to be no concentrated effort to the get the various protesters together to agree on what we are going to do. There seems to be no attempt to put together a list of demands/concerns with which to approach the club to try and get them resolved. To me it seems our only demand is Allams out, an all or nothing that may require years to achieve.

The media will be waiting to see what we do, the eyes of the world will be watching and we've had the advance publicity about the state of the club.

All Dutch appears to be asking is: are we organised enough to produce a united protest that the vast majority of supporters will join in with.
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I am asking that, and also pointing out that fans feeling involved will make the group stronger.
 
AlRawdah said:
Would threads about the Trust be a lot more focussed and productive if both of this message board's moderators agreed to not post on them?
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I don't think so.

I mentioned in the link I posted that I don't think this will ever be a place for a productive discussion on the Trusts activities. It's good place to post information & press releases but that's as far as it should go.

Many of the posters on here have issues with the Trust dating back to CTWD & will continually connect the two separate organisations along with those involved in the groups. No matter what the subject of any discussion or agenda these issues will always be at the forefront for some posters.

This forum is, & should remain, anonymous. Unfortunately some of those involved in the Trust have been "outed". When they lost their anonymity it became difficult for some posters to distinguish the difference between personal views of those involved in the Trust & the actual views of the Trust. This won't change.

We also cannot be sure that all the posters on here are genuine, single account City supporters. There's a fair few WUMs & Trolls whose only interest is disrupting threads & creating attention for themselves. The anonymous internet is not the ideal way to have an open discussion. It's too easy for somebody to come across as a tool if they don't agree with others. It's too easy for somebody to disrupt a thread if they're not happy with the way a discussion is going. It's too easy for posters to be dismissive of others' views.

In my opinion the best place for these discussions is face to face in an open forum or in an informal round table format. Fortunately, because of our inept owners, the William Gemmell has been named the HCST matchday boozer, or something along those lines. It may be a good idea if the Trust were to invite people to pop in & discuss any issues, ideas, thoughts etc on match days. Maybe they could, in the week leading up to a game, put out a release letting people know if any Committee members will be present for members to talk to.
 
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Sir Cheshire Ben said:
I don't think so.

I mentioned in the link I posted that I don't think this will ever be a place for a productive discussion on the Trusts activities. It's good place to post information & press releases but that's as far as it should go.

Many of the posters on here have issues with the Trust dating back to CTWD & will continually connect the two separate organisations along with those involved in the groups. No matter what the subject of any discussion or agenda these issues will always be at the forefront for some posters.

This forum is, & should remain, anonymous. Unfortunately some of those involved in the Trust have been "outed". When they lost their anonymity it became difficult for some posters to distinguish the difference between personal views of those involved in the Trust & the actual views of the Trust. This won't change.

We also cannot be sure that all the posters on here are genuine, single account City supporters. There's a fair few WUMs & Trolls whose only interest is disrupting threads & creating attention for themselves. The anonymous internet is not the ideal way to have an open discussion. It's too easy for somebody to come across as a tool if they don't agree with others. It's too easy for somebody to disrupt a thread if they're not happy with the way a discussion is going. It's too easy for posters to be dismissive of others' views.

In my opinion the best place for these discussions is face to face in an open forum or in an informal round table format. Fortunately, because of our inept owners, the William Gemmell has been named the HCST matchday boozer, or something along those lines. It may be a good idea if the Trust were to invite people to pop in & discuss any issues, ideas, thoughts etc on match days. Maybe they could, in the week leading up to a game, put out a release letting people know if any Committee members will be present for members to talk to.
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I think if the topics are stuck to, there's a lot to be gained from having an open discussion on the forums. It's nothing to do with being anonymous in my opinion, and I've had discussions face to face with some of the same people posting on here too.

Not everyone can get to places like Gemmel, even if they wanted to, and whatever else, this is a discussion forum, and the trust themselves have said that they want to discuss things on here and on other forums to get a wider view and more involvement. Sadly, some seem opposed to that happening. The reasons why could be revealing.

At the end of the day, the trust committee are representatives of the fans, they're not a governing body, so they need to know what fans views are.

So, as the discussion is on going, I'd be interested in what can be done, and how it could be coordinated.

I suspect that there could be some looking in that would go to protest, if they knew a bit more about it.
 
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