Off Topic Hartlepool Bye Election

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Sunderpitt said:
I probably agree with you on this point.I reckon if Farage's brexit party had not nicked a load of the votes off the tories in 2019, the cons would have won. The Labour candidate was a remainer unlike most of her constituency.

Whereas i disagree with you when at times you seem to bend over backwards to defend those born with a spoon in their mouth.
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Interesting! I don't see it as defending anyone. Just an irrational hatred of bias. I don't really care what people's backgrounds are. The aristocracy don't offend me and I don't care if people are born into money. In fact, I find it a bit odd that people are offended by that. Someone said earlier in the thread something along the lines of "only a member of an elite could support the Tories". I find this extremely strange as it surely implies that they feel inferior to some groups in society. I don't think the rich or the aristocracy are better than me. Its just an accident of birth. People are people no matter where you go. You'll find good people and utter twats in any group within society.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
Interesting! I don't see it as defending anyone. Just an irrational hatred of bias. I don't really care what people's backgrounds are. The aristocracy don't offend me and I don't care if people are born into money. In fact, I find it a bit odd that people are offended by that. Someone said earlier in the thread something along the lines of "only a member of an elite could support the Tories". I find this extremely strange as it surely implies that they feel inferior to some groups in society. I don't think the rich or the aristocracy are better than me. Its just an accident of birth. People are people no matter where you go. You'll find good people and utter twats in any group within society.
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Now I understand... class traitor... no probs
 
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Bank of England 2 said:
Teresa May was also a remainer, but as Prime Minister at the time, it was her job to get Brexit done. She tried (not hard enough in my eyes) but failed. In my opinion, The 1922 Committee should have only sought nominations from candidates who had voted 'Leave', as that was the biggest thing facing the Government at that time. To have a Prime Minister negotiating
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Bank of England 2 said:
Teresa May was also a remainer, but as Prime Minister at the time, it was her job to get Brexit done. She tried (not hard enough in my eyes) but failed. In my opinion, The 1922 Committee should have only sought nominations from candidates who had voted 'Leave', as that was the biggest thing facing the Government at that time. To have a Prime Minister negotiating for something she clearly didn't want was ludicrous.
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Hold on I never mentioned Teresa My point was Johnson was a remainer but as true as this is, it is so rarely mentioned, because it doesn’t suit the narrative.
if you are going to criticise Bridget for being remain and not supporting her constituents, which is fair enough. you can’t not criticise Johnson for being remain and shifting to leave can you
 
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The Norton Cat said:
Interesting! I don't see it as defending anyone. Just an irrational hatred of bias. I don't really care what people's backgrounds are. The aristocracy don't offend me and I don't care if people are born into money. In fact, I find it a bit odd that people are offended by that. Someone said earlier in the thread something along the lines of "only a member of an elite could support the Tories". I find this extremely strange as it surely implies that they feel inferior to some groups in society. I don't think the rich or the aristocracy are better than me. Its just an accident of birth. People are people no matter where you go. You'll find good people and utter twats in any group within society.
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I had a debate with someone who hated Starmer because he was rich. I found it baffling, and when I said me dad was canny poor, his dad died when he was really young, me grandma worked three jobs to put him and his sister through Uni and they did okay for themselves, was that wrong, they had no reply. What’s preferable, people bettering themselves, through hard work or having your place at Eton guaranteed from birth.
 
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Sunderpitt said:
Bart... you mean corruption like..

Olympic stadium

Garden bridge

American Big tits grants

All the tories and their mates stitching up Covid 19 deals

Whatever the fcuk is going on in doing up his no 10 flat and his childcare

Not forgetting being booted out of his job as a journalist for telling blatant lies or when he tried to get somebody to kick the siht of someone he was having a row with?
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Of course all much worse than taking the country into an illegal war.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
Ha! I see it as a form or discrimination. As I've said before, I don't believe that there is a class system in this country any longer. Its just clung to by people who wish to justify their bias <ok>
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Now you are just being silly.... and have negated all your carefully crafted arguments...
 
master-simpson said:
No I won’t - please please tell me about this corruption, I’m very interested!

Bart

PS - your Vile too
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I’ll happily live with being vile, if being vile in my world means caring about others. And caring about how people struggle because of years of Tory government.
As opposed to your judgemental little uncaring about others.
and you know what, that’s not even political, it’s just human nature to care about others, something you don’t seem to be able to do, genuinely feel sorry for you.
My
 
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The Norton Cat said:
I suppose it depends on your perception. If you want to see divisions between people, then you will.
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I can see both sides to this argument particularly in the UK.

The House of Lords still exists and what is the criteria for sitting there? They're not elected if i recall, rather they're appointed.

What i would agree with is that the class structure for want of a better phrase is changing. It's now become more of a wealth structure with a lot of "new money" being afforded the privileges that were once reserved for the upper classes of old.
 
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janey said:
Hold on I never mentioned Teresa My point was Johnson was a remainer but as true as this is, it is so rarely mentioned, because it doesn’t suit the narrative.
if you are going to criticise Bridget for being remain and not supporting her constituents, which is fair enough. you can’t not criticise Johnson for being remain and shifting to leave can you
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I mentioned Teresa May, not in relation to Boris, but to Bridget. One was a remainer, who tried to do her job, even though it went against what she originally wanted, the other just chose to do what she wanted.
As for Boris, if this is true, and I wasn't aware that it was, then if he changed his mind to suit the narrative then he was wrong to do so. Is this not typical of politicians though. Just out to feather their own nests? Don't forget, Churchill, arguably one of the finest statesmen of the 20th Century, changed political parties. Did he do this for political gain, or as a matter of principal?
 
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janey said:
I had a debate with someone who hated Starmer because he was rich. I found it baffling, and when I said me dad was canny poor, his dad died when he was really young, me grandma worked three jobs to put him and his sister through Uni and they did okay for themselves, was that wrong, they had no reply. What’s preferable, people bettering themselves, through hard work or having your place at Eton guaranteed from birth.
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The thing that some people fail to grasp is that both are a viable option. I am all for people wanting to better themselves through hard work, but I don't think that those born with a silver spoon should be disqualified from doing so either.
 
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janey said:
I had a debate with someone who hated Starmer because he was rich. I found it baffling, and when I said me dad was canny poor, his dad died when he was really young, me grandma worked three jobs to put him and his sister through Uni and they did okay for themselves, was that wrong, they had no reply. What’s preferable, people bettering themselves, through hard work or having your place at Eton guaranteed from birth.
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actually it was oxford and his parents paid for it he wasn't poor either, a London born boy whos parents moved to Surrey away from the commoners
 
Bank of England 2 said:
I mentioned Teresa May, not in relation to Boris, but to Bridget. One was a remainer, who tried to do her job, even though it went against what she originally wanted, the other just chose to do what she wanted.
As for Boris, if this is true, and I wasn't aware that it was, then if he changed his mind to suit the narrative then he was wrong to do so. Is this not typical of politicians though. Just out to feather their own nests? Don't forget, Churchill, arguably one of the finest statesmen of the 20th Century, changed political parties. Did he do this for political gain, or as a matter of principal?
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It’s 100% true. And this is the thing, His previous allegiances and his current lies aren't reported. he did twist for his own self serving ends. Which was power.
Johnson is desperate to be a Churchill, he’s. a pretender.
Churchill won the war, eternally grateful, but he was voted out soon after.
Johnson is a lying, corrupt fraud
 
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