Harry Stay or Go !!!
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TWGWTDT
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At the start of the season there were a number on here (including me, I think) that stated that they'd settle for 17th place. Irrespective of the fact that they've avoided relegation, teams that finish in 17th place can hardly say they've had a 'good' season, can they? They're unlikely to have won more games than they've lost, or scored more goals than they've conceded, enjoyed more possession than their opposition etc. etc. etc.
So, on the basis that I'd have settled for 17th in August, my expectations,were that this wasn't going to be an enjoyable season. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for the Rs to have done much better than this, but this ain't the case.
I'm not sure what sort of basis you were demanding for my reckoning, Col. All I can say is that at this point in time I believe that both Leicester and Hull are just as bad, if not worse, than us. As others have pointed out, the gap to safety isn't that large right now. All we have to do is be slightly better than those two, plus Burnley, West Brom, Palace and perhaps a couple of others. I don't think that is yet impossible.
I wouldn't necessarily agree there, Herr Ubes. If Burnley finish in 17th they'll have had a fantastic season, let alone merely a good one. And if the next two least spending Clubs exceed where they, in theory, should finish (19th & 18th), they'll have had good seasons too.
Its not all about money I know but its the best barometer of measuring where a team should logically expect to finish.
I am getting sick of him blaming the players. Take a good long look in the mirror Harry. You are an old tired man whose heart is not in it.
Yeah, sure, it's good to avoid relegation...but in the context of the good, average and poor teams in the Premier League, I'd say that the team finishing 17th is a poor one. The league table doesn't lie, as the old Gael Clichy goes. The team in 17th has probably been crap more times than its been the anti-crap.
There is nothing left to debate about Redknapp. He has been well and truly found out. Watching us play a team managed well by Mark Hughes has led me to the real truth. Our disastrous form and current predicament is down primarily to Tony Fernandes' over-ambition and ineptitude. Let's take it in stages.
Ecclestone and Briatore want out and starve Warnock of cash when he could have taken his time and picked the players he wanted. They did so in order to walk away with an inflated price for the club because at the date of their departure they had not spent a penny of the promotion windfall.
They then find a mug who wants to own a football club.
The mug, TF, falls in love with us and gives Warnock a blank chequebook to bring in whoever he wants in the last few days of the transfer window. We pick up the dregs of the barrel and pay over the odds in doing so. SWP, Barton, the younger Ferdinand disaster, Young etc. Mistake 1
He then sacks Warnock after a run of poor results because he is frightened we will go down. Mistake 2. We were never as bad under Warnock during that run of games as we have been under Redknapp.
He appoints Mark Hughes. Nothing wrong with that in itself. Hughes has a proven track record. However he then gives him the keys to the bank having been seduced by Hughes' so-called vision and ambition. Hughes brings in a pile of expensive dross seduced by the chance to make money. Our very own band of mercenary brothers. Mistake 3
We escape relegation by the skin of our teeth. So they, Hughes and TF, go for it big time at the start of the next season. Any sexy name will do - bugger the research. Don't worry we'll pay, we've got ambition don't you know. Mistake 4
It all goes tits up. Hughes walks the plank when an even bigger sexier name becomes available. Redknapp is appointed with plenty of time to go. He too is backed to the hilt and promptly takes us down because we're rotten to the core. But it's not Harry's fault. Mistake 5
After a good start to life in the Championship and having invested heavily in a completely new team, we scrape through the Play Off finals having almost blown promotion because Redknapp chooses to fill the team with ageing midfielders and Spurs cast offs. We have one fit striker who is suddenly injured and out for 3 months. We are redeemed and given another chance to get it right. A chance to start the new campaign with a new man at the helm. But no. Tony is grateful and wants to reward Redknapp with a new contract. He is the man for the future. Mistake 6
By Christmas it is clear that Redknapp's expensive transfer dealings, tactics and man management skills have left us in a situation where we are facing the certainty of relegation. We have an easier run of away games to come and will be playing teams we can beat. And yet, the team plays with the same lack of ambition as before - only trying to score once we are already losing. Tony says "In Redknapp we trust. If it goes wrong, blame me." Mistake 7
No money to sort out the problems so no transfers in. Possibly a loan signing or two of players that Redknapp wants. Belatedly, when we need to strengthen the squad in the same way that all our nearest and dearest rivals are doing, the cheque book has suddenly dried up. Mistake 8?
It's interesting that once Hughes' ambition was reined in by proper football club owners he has resumed his earlier success, slowly improving the club that he has been entrusted to nurture.. No sexy signings, no flashing the cheque book. Why did he do it with us? Because Tony let him do it believing that we would start to win trophies if we spent like the big boys.
So yes Mr Fernandes. I do blame you.
Ecclestone and Briatore want out and starve Warnock of cash when he could have taken his time and picked the players he wanted. They did so in order to walk away with an inflated price for the club because at the date of their departure they had not spent a penny of the promotion windfall.
They then find a mug who wants to own a football club.
The mug, TF, falls in love with us and gives Warnock a blank chequebook to bring in whoever he wants in the last few days of the transfer window. We pick up the dregs of the barrel and pay over the odds in doing so. SWP, Barton, the younger Ferdinand disaster, Young etc. Mistake 1
He then sacks Warnock after a run of poor results because he is frightened we will go down. Mistake 2. We were never as bad under Warnock during that run of games as we have been under Redknapp.
He appoints Mark Hughes. Nothing wrong with that in itself. Hughes has a proven track record. However he then gives him the keys to the bank having been seduced by Hughes' so-called vision and ambition. Hughes brings in a pile of expensive dross seduced by the chance to make money. Our very own band of mercenary brothers. Mistake 3
We escape relegation by the skin of our teeth. So they, Hughes and TF, go for it big time at the start of the next season. Any sexy name will do - bugger the research. Don't worry we'll pay, we've got ambition don't you know. Mistake 4
It all goes tits up. Hughes walks the plank when an even bigger sexier name becomes available. Redknapp is appointed with plenty of time to go. He too is backed to the hilt and promptly takes us down because we're rotten to the core. But it's not Harry's fault. Mistake 5
After a good start to life in the Championship and having invested heavily in a completely new team, we scrape through the Play Off finals having almost blown promotion because Redknapp chooses to fill the team with ageing midfielders and Spurs cast offs. We have one fit striker who is suddenly injured and out for 3 months. We are redeemed and given another chance to get it right. A chance to start the new campaign with a new man at the helm. But no. Tony is grateful and wants to reward Redknapp with a new contract. He is the man for the future. Mistake 6
By Christmas it is clear that Redknapp's expensive transfer dealings, tactics and man management skills have left us in a situation where we are facing the certainty of relegation. We have an easier run of away games to come and will be playing teams we can beat. And yet, the team plays with the same lack of ambition as before - only trying to score once we are already losing. Tony says "In Redknapp we trust. If it goes wrong, blame me." Mistake 7
No money to sort out the problems so no transfers in. Possibly a loan signing or two of players that Redknapp wants. Belatedly, when we need to strengthen the squad in the same way that all our nearest and dearest rivals are doing, the cheque book has suddenly dried up. Mistake 8?
It's interesting that once Hughes' ambition was reined in by proper football club owners he has resumed his earlier success, slowly improving the club that he has been entrusted to nurture.. No sexy signings, no flashing the cheque book. Why did he do it with us? Because Tony let him do it believing that we would start to win trophies if we spent like the big boys.
So yes Mr Fernandes. I do blame you.
Countdown to meltdown.
Sorry that's not me trying to be clever or put anyone down. I feel everyone's pain regarding the mighty R's. I just knew the forum would get very heated after today's loss.
Despite the pain of being a QPR fan like you all I will always love this football team (again just like you all)
I know this is easy for me to say after taking my pills (Only kidding but won't be long at this rate) try to keep the faith. Yes this situation sucks but we will have another happy period to shout about. I don't think anyone of us could imagine having such a big happy and historic day at Wembley after our last relegation.
For me the main reason why I'm not 100% down and out is the positive news about the training ground and also the boost for our quest to get a new stadium. For me this is much more important for the long term of our club than another stressful season of trying to scrape survival in the Prem.
To stay up we need to grow and get some much needed lacking infrastructure in our club. I'm now starting to believe this is going to happen at last.
Rome was not built in a day, there will be many more ups and downs along the way but we will get better.
Come on you R'ssssss!
Sorry that's not me trying to be clever or put anyone down. I feel everyone's pain regarding the mighty R's. I just knew the forum would get very heated after today's loss.
Despite the pain of being a QPR fan like you all I will always love this football team (again just like you all)
I know this is easy for me to say after taking my pills (Only kidding but won't be long at this rate) try to keep the faith. Yes this situation sucks but we will have another happy period to shout about. I don't think anyone of us could imagine having such a big happy and historic day at Wembley after our last relegation.
For me the main reason why I'm not 100% down and out is the positive news about the training ground and also the boost for our quest to get a new stadium. For me this is much more important for the long term of our club than another stressful season of trying to scrape survival in the Prem.
To stay up we need to grow and get some much needed lacking infrastructure in our club. I'm now starting to believe this is going to happen at last.
Rome was not built in a day, there will be many more ups and downs along the way but we will get better.
Come on you R'ssssss!
Fair play and there lies the immediate problem. I cant think of or most likely correctly pronounce but a foreign coach would be the next avenue to explore in my opinion. No problem with an English but the current lack of available young up and coming managers is a problem.