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Guthrie out

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  1. holystone

    holystone Active Member

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    Santon CM for 20 minutes?
     
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  2. NufcBano

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    For your average player, of course they train to play and come into the side and have a certain amount of fitness. But Guthrie, HBA and Gosling have had either a long term injury or a series of injuries. You have to take that into account:

    With players like this you need to bleed them into the team in cameos as much as possible to get them the minutes they need without over working them.

    Guthrie hardly features for us; then is expected to start and step up straight away. Unfortunately he has broken down.
    HBA was out for a long time. He should have had more cameos this season. He has literally been crying out to play. He still isn't fit in December. Not good.
    Gosling has hardly had a sniff in the first team this season. Why, seeing as Tiote has been out for ages, I just dont understand. Now if he starts v Norwich, we are in danger of over working him and he will 'do a Guthrie'.

    Its a fine balance that a Premier League manager should be able to do and handle. I'm a nobody who played football for years, who is on a forum, who likes a game of Football Manager, but yet I seem to have acquired this knowledge.

    Its just a small criticism of Pardew this season. His subs never seem to stop baffling me at times.
     
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  3. NUFCaw

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    I agree in that his substitutions aren't what i'd do at times but look at what you've just written.

    How are you so sure that you are correct? Yet a team of coaching professionals are getting it wrong?

    I wont go through your points but I'l just say in my opinion if players are physically fit enough to play 90 mins through preperation in training, your unlucky if they get injured. Playing match's gets your brain ticking and match sharpness, does little to build fitness.
     
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  4. Alfie

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    Agreed.
     
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  5. KingoStarr

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    I'll get slated for this but hey ho

    --------------------Krul------------------
    Simpson--Perch----Kadar--Raylor
    -----------Cabaye----Smith-----------
    Obertan----------HBA---------Jonas
    -----------------------Ba-----------------

    Unless Colo is fit replace Kadar with him
     
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  6. NufcBano

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    Maybe its a high level of self belief? Could be because I reckon most professional coaches would agree that you treat injury prone players/players coming off a long serious injury different to your basic fit professional player.

    Most people would agree with pretty common sensed opinion, no?
     
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  7. NufcBano

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    Thought you would.
     
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  8. NUFCaw

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    Of course, but I'm almost certain Guthrie wasn't coming off a long term injury.

    However Ben Arfa has come off a long term injury but you aren't happy with the way he's been handeled. Are you saying he should have had more cameos before his starts? If so we haven't been in a position much this season to have the luxury of using substitions forr anything but tactically.
     
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  9. Jonnyaiston

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    I would cry if this was defence and Loven.

    Abied/ Vuckic for Guthrie, I would like.
     
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  10. Leon Bessi

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  11. AH

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    For what it's worth...

    Krul
    Simmo Perch Kadar* Santon
    Ober Gosling** Cabaye Jonas
    Ben Arfa
    Ba

    *Colo if he's fit
    **Or Abeid

    If that's not working, bring on Best and/or Shola for Ba/Ben Arfa

    I'm assuming Raylor will start though...
     
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  12. Colly NUFC

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    Do you know how we could avoid injuries altogether? Just don't play ****ing anyone.
     
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  13. Leon Bessi

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    _____________Krul______________
    _Raylor__Santon__Kadar__Simpson
    _______Cabaye____Goslin________
    ___Jonas_____Arfa_______Obertan
    _____________Ba_______________
     
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  14. ----------------Ba----------------------

    ------------------HBA------------------

    Jonas-----------------------------Obertan

    -------Cabaye--------Gosling-------------

    Raylor-----Perch------Kadar-------Simpson

    ----------------Krul----------------------
     
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  15. Colly NUFC

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    This for me, Colo and Tiote coming in if fit.
     
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  16. Smudger

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    <laugh> I love this, Bano plays FM and Sunday football so he's more qualified than a team of coaches as to how to keep players fit.
     
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  17. Why aye Cabaye

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    Everyone else has had a go, so here's my lineup:

    GK: Krul
    RB: Simpson
    LB: Raylor
    CB: Perch
    CB: Kadar
    RM: Obertan
    LM: Jonas
    CM: Cabaye
    CM: Gosling
    ST: Shola
    ST: Ba

    Not much we can do about defence, would like Santon in their but he's most likely going to be a sub. Think Pardew will keep him at LB as Jonas is back to help out and they team up well on that side. If Jonas was still banned I think Santon would definitely come in due to how **** Raylor was v Chelsea (in no small part down to Lovenkrands appalling defensive display).

    If we were playing a better side I wouldn't want Obertan on RM. He can have more impact against 'lesser' sides though so I say keep him in.

    In CM Gosling better work his ****ing nuts off or we are in the ****. Start him, if he doesn't pull his weight then bring Abeid on.

    Upfront I want Shola. He deserves it after his second half v Chelsea and we need strong players as this is going to be all hands to the pump. Benny doesn't do all hands to the pump, and barring a few flashes, has been largely underwhelming. Have him on the bench and bring on for the last half hour possibly if Shola gets tired, or bring Best on.
     
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  18. A November Night In Rotterdam

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    You sir, are talking what's known in the business as 'a load of bollocks'.



    Incidentally here's my team:

    Krul
    Simpson Perch Kadar Santon
    Obertan Cabaye Gosling Jonas
    Shola Ba
     
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  19. A November Night In Rotterdam

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    Also, just asked Mehdi Abeid on Facebook if he's playing at the weekend and he doesn't reckon he will be in the squad :(
     
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  20. Why aye Cabaye

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    Smith on the bench then. If we're winning with 20 odd minutes to go you can guarantee he will be brought on to shore up the midfield. Then cue the collapse and we end up losing!
     
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