George Floyd R.I.P

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Looney Leftie said:
Anyone who is genuinely interested in Colstons statue then this is very interesting.

https://www.brh.org.uk/site/articles/myths-within-myths/
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Interesting article <ok>

Seems that he wasn't even much of the philanthropist that justified his elevation in the first place

"Perhaps one of the most interesting aspects of this whole Victorian charade is the fact that the much vaunted charitable efforts of the Colston Societies were largely superficial. For example, in 1884, the combined contribution of all the Colston related charities made up only 1.5 per cent of the total cost of relieving the poor that year."
 
PISKIE said:
Interesting article <ok>

Seems that he wasn't even much of the philanthropist that justified his elevation in the first place

"Perhaps one of the most interesting aspects of this whole Victorian charade is the fact that the much vaunted charitable efforts of the Colston Societies were largely superficial. For example, in 1884, the combined contribution of all the Colston related charities made up only 1.5 per cent of the total cost of relieving the poor that year."
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Not surprised mate, Microsoft Gates appears to be the same whilst retaining most of his wealth.
 
The Ginger Marks said:
Not surprised mate, Microsoft Gates appears to be the same whilst retaining most of his wealth.
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Bill Gates attracts a lot of criticism, mainly it seems from the anti-vax crowd. He's donated something like $45bn so far which is an incredible amount of money. He's worth something like $110bn though, so when you have that sort of dough in assets it's not surprising you keep accumulating more and more.
 
Tobes said:
The path is well trodden and always seems to follow the same route. They try and portray themselves as a legitimate political party, then due to the fact that they’re literally brimming with racists, parts of their group inevitably end up being exposed as having racist views, and it eventually becomes impossible for them to shake, and so they split and form new offerings, under a new ‘brand’ in the hope of distancing themselves from the previous one.
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This happens literally every single time and they continue with the same ol' path of destruction.
 
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Tel said:
****ing hell Piskie just get out and rant in the streets if you care this much bro.
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There aren't many Police horses down here bro, so I might go out and lob a rock at some cows tomorrow or something
 
Female black american historian from Boston, and a male black education consultant, both disapproving of the banning of the films, such as 'Gone with the Wind' @Number 1 Jasper - the male view who is from Croydon, said if anything, why are they not banning gangsta rap if we are going this route, and taking up these issues with the likes of MTV.

Whites are reacting to not offend, but are missing the whole concept of the problems and arguments. So much to take in from this debate, but great disapproval of removing gone with the wind. They are not defending them, but are disapproving of the banning of them.
 
FosseFilberto said:
I can't ... it's not my city and I only know what I have read recently... but there is no denying that he used his fortune or a significant proprtion of it, to the benefit of the City of Bristol.

Stripping away the emotion, I think it is more likely that the statue was erected to reflect those contributions more than some right wing city officials having a rascist or pro-slavery agenda.

... but as I said ... just my view.
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As a comparative. When I lived in Leicester many of the local names and sites were about De Montfort and it was contentious in the community as it is one of the most diverse cities in the country and yet De Montfort was not exactly famed for his tolerance:

"Montfort bears responsibility for persecution of Jews. In addition to his expulsion of Jews from Leicester, his faction in the Second Baron's War initiated pogroms killing perhaps the majority of Jews in Worcester and around 500 in London. The violence and killings unleashed by the war targeting Jews carried on after his death. Leicester City Council made a formal statement in 2001 that "rebuked De Montfort for his blatant anti-Semitism

And yet, various local honours were dedicated to his memory, and he has become eponymous several times over. De Montfort University in Leicester is named after him, as is the nearby De Montfort Hall, a concert venue. A statue of Montfort is one of four to adorn the Haymarket Memorial Clock Tower in Leicester. A relief of Montfort adorns the wall of the Chamber of the United States House of Representatives."

Ok he wasn't to my knowledge racist nor a slave trader but he shouldn't be a poster-boy just because he was a different era to the ones who were.

Though I would add that taking down a statue isn't always the answer. When De Montfort was killed they hacked off his head and then hung his testicles either side of his nose. Now that would be a cool amendment to his statue, much more fitting.
 
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