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Definitely worse at the match. At least on TV you're seeing replays etc whereas at the game you're just stood there watching 25 blokes doing **** all.
Instead of your usual 90 mins of watching 11 men do **** all?
edit: ok, they pick the ball out of the net a few times.
 
Definitely worse at the match. At least on TV you're seeing replays etc whereas at the game you're just stood there watching 25 blokes doing **** all.

Always makes me laugh that I could do a 400 mile round trip without knowing why a goal was disallowed but some **** in Malaysia knows.
I tend to go for a piss or to get a beer when all that **** goes on.
 
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Some good timing for a couple of soft penalties for you on Saturday.
Soft is soft

Bent af is bent af

Soft is darwizzy jumping in between ball and opposition player and getting a oen

bent af is odegarrd slapping the ball down with his hand in the box and var says no pen

or doku fly kicking your player la chest in the box and not getting a pen


Both last examples funnily enough were great helps to city’s 4th bent af title win
 
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Was chatting with an Everton fan from Kensington in the pub yesterday nice lad. We both loved the derby, game of the season for me so far proper game.

mainly watch Everton so my bar for game of the season is low.
Was an old school game, Everton scrapped and put in loads of effort. Liverpool scrapped when needed and their quality when levels dropped for us stood out.
Shows how far we are behind.
 
Sounds like one of my (many) arguments against VAR in the first place. Giving **** officials technology won't make them good officials.

Regarding your AI idea you're still ignoring the fact that basically every rule is subjective and therefore not black and white like goal line tech or your tennis example.

Plus AI will have to be developed by humans who will carry the same flaws and biases.
Fundamentally flawed argument. Humans write the rules as it's a human sport. But keep humans away from implementing them as that is going to lead to inaccuracy and error. I'm currently testing AI marking software for English A-level coursework exam papers. That really is very subjective. Far more so than the rules of football. But the AI is simply trained to make sound judgment. And the error rates from it doing marking are significantly (massively) lower than asking a trained human examiner to do the same thing. And this is published data. A team of hundred examiners gives X amount of variation of what the agreed score is, and these scores are then measured against what the chief examiner's score would be. The AI then has a go. Repeat this for hundreds of scripts. The AI assesses instantly and with massively lower variation and error than the humans can, and that's with a human spending up to an hour anaylsing the script. This is happening right now. AI is more accurate and reliable at subjective judgement than humans are. That's not a debate.

So the 'subjective' argument holds no weight. AI already consistently makes more accurate decisions, in a far quicker time than humans ever will. You just have to train the AI to do it. Companies are already doing it with straightforward things like written text. Video analysis will be here soon. We just need a governing body of football willing to get it right.

If for every single subjective decision on the pitch, you got an instant response and a detailed paragraph explaining why that was the decision made, that would do away with any of the nonsense we have right now with PGMOL and referees always in the spotlight for being ****.
 
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You got there first.

Fixed lines, in or out.

Footballers and football is played all over the pitch in hundreds of random positions and hundreds of different scenarios. It's not even close to being the same.
See reply above. Subjectivity is not an argument to knock AI with. Never has been.
 
Fundamentally flawed argument. Humans write the rules as it's a human sport. But keep humans away from implementing them as that is going to lead to inaccuracy and error. I'm currently testing AI marking software for English A-level coursework exam papers. That really is very subjective. Far more so than the rules of football. But the AI is simply trained to make sound judgment. And the error rates from it doing marking are significantly (massively) lower than asking a trained human examiner to do the same thing. And this is published data. A team of hundred examiners gives X amount of variation of what the agreed score is, and these scores are then measured against what the chief examiner's score would be. The AI then has a go. Repeat this for hundreds of scripts. The AI assesses instantly and with massively lower variation and error than the humans can, and that's with a human spending up to an hour anaylsing the script. This is happening right now. AI is more accurate and reliable at subjective judgement than humans are. That's not a debate.

So the 'subjective' argument holds no weight. AI already consistently makes more accurate decisions, in a far quicker time than humans ever will. You just have to train the AI to do it. Companies are already doing it with straightforward things like written text. Video analysis will be here soon. We just need a governing body of football willing to get it right.

If for every single subjective decision on the pitch, you got an instant response and a detailed paragraph explaining why that was the decision made, that would do away with any of the nonsense we have right now with PGMOL and referees always in the spotlight for being ****.
You're overthinking it, pretty much everyone on here disagrees with you, posting overlong reasons as to why you are right isn't going to change that.
 
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You're overthinking it, pretty much everyone on here disagrees with you, posting overlong reasons as to why you are right isn't going to change that.
I couldn't care less if people agree with me. Random internet forum posters' opinions on AI has no impact or correlation with what AI is actually capable of.
 
Can everyone just shut up and wait X years for AI? We’ll have developed robot footballers by then and we’ll all be living in Chinese death camps mining lithium for our overlords anyway.
 
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Stop banging on about it then..
Stop giving opinions on a football forum that is about discussing opinions about football?

We can debate whether tech should be incorporated. You can’t debate what it’s capable of though, that’s just fact.

I just don’t see justifiable reasons for not wanting good AI tech in the game if it removes delays for viewers in and out the stadium, and gets less decisions wrong.
 
Fundamentally flawed argument. Humans write the rules as it's a human sport. But keep humans away from implementing them as that is going to lead to inaccuracy and error. I'm currently testing AI marking software for English A-level coursework exam papers. That really is very subjective. Far more so than the rules of football. But the AI is simply trained to make sound judgment. And the error rates from it doing marking are significantly (massively) lower than asking a trained human examiner to do the same thing. And this is published data. A team of hundred examiners gives X amount of variation of what the agreed score is, and these scores are then measured against what the chief examiner's score would be. The AI then has a go. Repeat this for hundreds of scripts. The AI assesses instantly and with massively lower variation and error than the humans can, and that's with a human spending up to an hour anaylsing the script. This is happening right now. AI is more accurate and reliable at subjective judgement than humans are. That's not a debate.

So the 'subjective' argument holds no weight. AI already consistently makes more accurate decisions, in a far quicker time than humans ever will. You just have to train the AI to do it. Companies are already doing it with straightforward things like written text. Video analysis will be here soon. We just need a governing body of football willing to get it right.

If for every single subjective decision on the pitch, you got an instant response and a detailed paragraph explaining why that was the decision made, that would do away with any of the nonsense we have right now with PGMOL and referees always in the spotlight for being ****.

That's a lot of waffle to ignore the fact that decision making is opinion based and therefore people are still going to disagree with many decisions. You think just because it's instant and an explanation is thrown up that people will go "oh okay, fair enough"? They won't.

You say inaccuracy and error as if these are things which can be measured infallibly and are either right or wrong. There's very few consensus penalties and red cards and people are split on the majority.

Your argument basically seems to be cos it's instant people won't care if they're wronged and won't feel hard done by which is fantasy world.

Know what else is instant btw? A ref blowing his whistle without some nonce 70 miles away watching it again dozens of times while stroking themselves to a picture of Mark Clattenberg.

You seem to think that whoever programs this AI won't include their biases too. Deluded.

I also work with AI on a day to day basis btw.
 
That's a lot of waffle to ignore the fact that decision making is opinion based and therefore people are still going to disagree with many decisions. You think just because it's instant and an explanation is thrown up that people will go "oh okay, fair enough"? They won't.

You say inaccuracy and error as if these are things which can be measured infallibly and are either right or wrong. There's very few consensus penalties and red cards and people are split on the majority.

Your argument basically seems to be cos it's instant people won't care if they're wronged and won't feel hard done by which is fantasy world.

Know what else is instant btw? A ref blowing his whistle without some nonce 70 miles away watching it again dozens of times while stroking themselves to a picture of Mark Clattenberg.

You seem to think that whoever programs this AI won't include their biases too. Deluded.

I also work with AI on a day to day basis btw.
But ultimately, why would you choose instant and more wrong, over instant and less wrong?
 
Stop giving opinions on a football forum that is about discussing opinions about football?

We can debate whether tech should be incorporated. You can’t debate what it’s capable of though, that’s just fact.

I just don’t see justifiable reasons for not wanting good AI tech in the game if it removes delays for viewers in and out the stadium, and gets less decisions wrong.
Just pick something else to be wrong about and move on.