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cini65 said:
Which is why they've already done it now. For sports with more context behind some of the rules, it will take time to train an AI. But it's not hard for someone who knows what they're doing to train an AI with context. And the decision-making will still be objective, based on rules, unbiased, and instantaneous.
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yeah, it's a fairly long way off though
FosseFilberto said:
VAR as it is currently being used isn't fit for purpose ... but it's not the technology itself, it's how it's being applied, and also some of the incredibly daft rules we have in the game ... not necessarily the base rules, but certainly the nuances and, in the case of 'hand ball' the constantly changing interpretation...

Rugby Union (don't watch Rugby League) use the TMO incredibly successfully - they've now moved to actually broadcasting the conversations between the ref and the TMO so that the whole stadium as well as the TV audience (if relevant) know what's being discussed... the main point is that the ref affirms his 'on field decision' but may ask the TMO to check for potential infringements that he'd liked checked - the other case is where the TMO sees something that the ref has not and so alerts him ... 'wrong decisions' are very rare indeed ...

Now on to the problematic footie rules - the major problem is offsides, and there have been some ridiculous decisions based on toenails, big noses or even Bruno Fernandes' rodent tail ...and then the farcical drawing of lines ... rules just need to be changed to 'clear daylight' between the players 'trunk' (nowt else) otherwise, benefit to the attacker if there is none ...

Handball is still problematic but I'd go with hand to ball rather than ball to hand and start from there ...

While at it - cut out ALL holding in the penalty area, of any kind - it really shouldn't be allowed and is automatically a free kick anywhere else on the pitch ...

Have the ref brief both teams on it before the game and give a foul (and penalty) before the set piece is taken if necessary - won't take long to cure it and for the rules to be reflected in how teams then train ...

Here endeth the soapbox :emoticon-0178-rock:
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Pretty much agree with everything there, except the offside, it's not subjective, if you're, off you're off, by a rat-tail or whatever. The time it's taking is the major gripe, but there's always teething problems with new technology, this is no different.
can't wait for AI refs myself, gonna be a long time until it's going to be fit for purpose though, AI is more parlour trick than anything else atm.
 
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Big Ern said:
yeah, it's a fairly long way off though

Pretty much agree with everything there, except the offside, it's not subjective, if you're, off you're off, by a rat-tail or whatever. The time it's taking is the major gripe, but there's always teething problems with new technology, this is no different.
can't wait for AI refs myself, gonna be a long time until it's going to be fit for purpose though, AI is more parlour trick than anything else atm.
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Fair points - gonna disagree on the offsides because some cracking goals have been erased for a finger, toe or nose ... or because some twat can't draw the line at the precise time ...
 
Being in an offside position is objective but that doesn't constitute the offence on its own.

Obviously most cases will be clear in the other elements of the rule but you can't discount the fact that the rule isn't entirely objective.

Tbf id prefer offside to just be offside but that's another thing.
 
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FosseFilberto said:
Didn't say I didn't care - been to many a Tigers game including cup finals - but can't say I was into it, because footie always took precedence - also played at school (on the wing) if the footie team didn't have a game ...

Did you watch any of this year's Six Nations? ... guess not, given your lazy and rather predictable observations ...
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I stuck the Italy game on for about 20 minutes, not that it really makes a difference. As with the global indifference to the sport, it’s a small minority even here where the game was created that give a toss and considerably less for club rugby. Doesn’t mean anyone who does enjoy it should enjoy it any less but let’s not pretend it’s popular. It was never meant to be for the masses.
 
Libby said:
Being in an offside position is objective but that doesn't constitute the offence on its own.

Obviously most cases will be clear in the other elements of the rule but you can't discount the fact that the rule isn't entirely objective.

Tbf id prefer offside to just be offside but that's another thing.
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Objective as long as the noddy in the portakabin picks the right frame and has the tech up to a standard to even be sure. There’s still too big a margin of error even after they’ve antagonised over where to draw the line such as that one Coventry had ruled out against United. Just nonsense.
 
Peej said:
funny you should say that.

gets into Fosse mode.

at a recent game at Goodison I witness what I would call a thundercunt of a strike that ensured a draw in the final Goodison derby. It was celebrated.

then VAR came a knocking, the Liverpool fans were getting giddy…..

an eternity passed and finally the ref gave the goal, Goodison went up again.
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Then you drew the next game and goodieson was crying


Funny that was <laugh>
 
Horny 4 Hamas said:
You’re getting brutally fisted in that one anyway unless they pick up a load of injuries tomorrow. A nice weekend of dancing topless in a London fountain anyway.
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Won’t be a problem tbh we won it last time with a team full of kids
 
Libby said:
Being in an offside position is objective but that doesn't constitute the offence on its own.

Obviously most cases will be clear in the other elements of the rule but you can't discount the fact that the rule isn't entirely objective.

Tbf id prefer offside to just be offside but that's another thing.
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Yeah, if you're off when the ball is kicked forwards, you're off. **** phases or whether it glanced off a defender, you've gained an advantage from being in an offside position.
 
Horny 4 Hamas said:
Objective as long as the noddy in the portakabin picks the right frame and has the tech up to a standard to even be sure. There’s still too big a margin of error even after they’ve antagonised over where to draw the line such as that one Coventry had ruled out against United. Just nonsense.
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Yeah the tech isn't accurate enough at present and for the closest ones you can pick a different frame to get a different result.

That Coventry one was infuriating. Would have been one of the greatest FA Cup stories in history and we were robbed of it by the VAR nonsense.
 
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cini65 said:
Yes, exactly. Like i said, the current situation is **** because it's still ultimately controlled by inept humans. Old situation was ****. New situation is ****. It's **** because they are **** humans controlling it.
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It’s not **** all the time, the other times it’s just plain bent af

see odegarrds basketball impression and dokus kung fu kick into macallisters chest last season for details
 
Libby said:
Sounds like one of my (many) arguments against VAR in the first place. Giving **** officials technology won't make them good officials.

Regarding your AI idea you're still ignoring the fact that basically every rule is subjective and therefore not black and white like goal line tech or your tennis example.

Plus AI will have to be developed by humans who will carry the same flaws and biases.
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His argument seems to be based on how it will improve, I'm sorry but that's not acceptable. How many seasons do we have to put up with before it works?

It all comes back to one thing. A goal is no longer a goal, we cheer a bit but know what's coming so there's no real celebration anymore. I'm not sure who it's worse for match going people or people at home but I know it's **** for both.
 
luvgonzo said:
His argument seems to be based on how it will improve, I'm sorry but that's not acceptable. How many seasons do we have to put up with before it works?

It all comes back to one thing. A goal is no longer a goal, we cheer a bit but know what's coming so there's no real celebration anymore. I'm not sure who it's worse for match going people or people at home but I know it's **** for both.
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Definitely worse at the match. At least on TV you're seeing replays etc whereas at the game you're just stood there watching 25 blokes doing **** all.

Always makes me laugh that I could do a 400 mile round trip without knowing why a goal was disallowed but some **** in Malaysia knows.
 
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