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That's totally fair mate, I understand completely.

In my case tbh my work life has been getting busier recently and for quite some time now I've been falling out of love with the game in general.

Aside from the obscene money at a time when so many people are struggling, I find the modern game is so obsessed with data and systems that most games are mind numbingly boring with very little quality, a problem compounded by the 7mins VAR checks to see if a player's chin was offside. There is so little flamboyance or individual flair in the modern game. I miss the days of the mavericks of the 90s and 00s. Players worth the entry fee on their own.

As for Spurs? There is one player I'd pay to watch and he's been injured all season (Kulu). Couldn't give a toss about the rest of them.

I'm not yet fully decided, but my gut feeling is that relegation will be the final straw for me and I'll call it a day on football.

I guess we'll soon see.
I was like that from 1985 -90 (only went to about 2 or 3 games in that time) due to work and personal life and from 1993 to 2003 due to money and little kids.
I absolutely agree re falling out of love with football due to money reasons you mention.
If you do call it a day I wouldn't blame you but would hate to see you leave the boards...you are a really interesting and funny poster...a big part of the various debates on here
 
I'm the same, any gear/shirts I have tend to be off eBay. Can't afford the official sources and wouldn't give 'em my money....<laugh>

I'll be there next season regardless I just hope my friend who serves me a beer is there as well. It's those I feel most sorry for as inevitably they will feel the brunt of the obvious cull that happens when the drop happens....
I bought the white shirt commemorative FA Cup shirt and two black away shirts for my girls from a company on Instagram.. cost me a total of £60 in total. I get my spurs books from ebay.
The club (like all others) are bleeding fans dry so I aint paying their prices.
 
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Have you got a link for this bro?

All I can see is that he says it was the hardest game he’s had to referee and could have sent Dier off later on but it was a fine line between ruining the game and managing the spectacle.

I’d definitely be interested in reading this admission that he was influenced by the Leicester fairytale. The only thing I’ve seen about that is when he says as a human like everybody else he wanted to see it but not as a referee during a game.


"There's one game in particular, which was the "Battle of Stamford Bridge." It was Chelsea vs. Tottenham, it was the famous year Leicester won the title, it was theater. I went in with a gameplan that I didn't want Tottenham Hotspur blaming Mark Clattenburg that they were gonna lose the title"

"I allowed them [Tottenham] to self-destruct so all the media, all the people in the world went: Tottenham lost the title"

Most Spurs fans will remember that game it was intense and remembered for the ref letting the game become a farce instead of him doing his job right and calling the early shots right so that our players didn't feel like they have to take matters into their own hands.
 
"There's one game in particular, which was the "Battle of Stamford Bridge." It was Chelsea vs. Tottenham, it was the famous that year Leicester win the title, it was theater. I went in with a gameplan that I didn't want Tottenham Hotspur blaming Mark Clattenburg that they were gonna lose the title"

"I allowed them [Tottenham] to self-destruct so all the media, all the people in the world went: Tottenham lost the title"

Most Spurs fans will remember that game it was intense and remembered for the ref letting the game become a farce instead of him doing his job right and calling the early shots right so that our players didn't feel like they have to take matters into their own hands.
I vaguely remember the game but not the officiating bro. He’s basically saying he cheated for you though isn’t he? He could have sent off some of your players but decided against it.
 
I vaguely remember the game but not the officiating bro. He’s basically saying he cheated for you though isn’t he? He could have sent off some of your players but decided against it.

Our players would only have got sent off due to the fight that took place which was a result of the ref allowing chavs to be dirty and not pulling them up so control was lost and eyes were poked and throats were squeezed and yes about 3 of our players would have been off as a result.
 
Our players would only have got sent off due to the fight that took place which was a result of the ref allowing chavs to be dirty and not pulling them up so **** lost control and eyes were poked and throats were squeezed and yes about 3 of our players would have been off as a result.
He shouldn’t be allowing any team to self-destruct, though. Every game should be refereed the same regardless of the occasion.
 
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I vaguely remember the game but not the officiating bro. He’s basically saying he cheated for you though isn’t he? He could have sent off some of your players but decided against it.
Even saying that is Clattenburg being...well, Clattenburg: in the first ten minutes Fabregas wasn't even booked for a two-footed lunge, plus there was ongoing needle between Rose and Willian yet he didn't call either of them over to tell them to cool it

This is the issue with the "manage the game" style of refereeing: if the first 10-15 minutes have a lot of physical challenges and the ref keeps their cards in their pocket and/or doesn't have a word, then they're setting a tone for a match - but then they try and put the toothpaste back in the tube by doling out cards for challenges that were allowed earlier on, so players are now going to be pissed off at the ref moving the goalposts while also having their hackles raised by being kicked for 10+ minutes, so the match degenerates

Also has to be said this style of refereeing is easily exploited: the machine gunning tactics of Mourinho or Guardiola are tailored exactly to this style of refereeing as there's three or four cynical fouls in quick succession to stop play but only the last player on that rota is going to get booked, yet play's been stopped two or three times unpunished so it works out. Also has to be said some teams seem to set up on the expectation that early fouls will go unpunished so they may as well treat themselves, which is certainly a feature of Newcastle under Eddie Howe
 
I was like that from 1985 -90 (only went to about 2 or 3 games in that time) due to work and personal life and from 1993 to 2003 due to money and little kids.
I absolutely agree re falling out of love with football due to money reasons you mention.
If you do call it a day I wouldn't blame you but would hate to see you leave the boards...you are a really interesting and funny poster...a big part of the various debates on here

Well at least the War Thread will be much quieter.

It'll be Saf and Windy on their own.

With Sucky to help <laugh>
 
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It's hardly a revelation that our passing hasn't been up to snuff

It was obvious when the wheels started falling off under Conte that our midfield was built for recycling the ball rather than creativity so couldn't handle pressure, and was equally clear under Ange that Maddison was carrying the creativity on his own and, again, the midfield couldn't relieve pressure
 
It's hardly a revelation that our passing hasn't been up to snuff

It was obvious when the wheels started falling off under Conte that our midfield was built for recycling the ball rather than creativity so couldn't handle pressure, and was equally clear under Ange that Maddison was carrying the creativity on his own and, again, the midfield couldn't relieve pressure

It’s been clear for a long time but the stats in the piece illustrate it nicely. We’ve overinvested in the wrong profiles - we saw what that does when only one of your top technicians (Kudus) is really in a starting state at the beginning of the season, and now they’re all still injured or still not really there (Xavi). Relying on players in the attacking third for nearly all of your technical quality is always going to be problematic even if they’re all fit.

When you look at our stable of CMs the issue becomes clear.

Gallagher and Sarr are very similar - they’re primarily off the ball workhorses. Gallagher is better than Sarr (whether it was worth investing what we did in the circumstances is another question) but you need a couple of these players in a squad. Neither are going to break lines with passing regularly and neither are very comfortable receiving the ball under pressure during buildup. I’d question their role more in a squad built for 4231 as you don’t have that 8 role in the same way you do in a 433.

Bissouma was a player who was extremely press resistant but was always a carry-first player. But he’s declined massively and seems to have been mostly cut out of the squad. He’s a profile you can work with but not perfect at the best of times.

Gray is very smooth technically but it’s only in the last few months he’s really looked comfortable (ish) at the top level in CM. I think he has the progressive passing piece but needs to work on receiving in traffic. He’s a potential player, not a player you slot into a team with lots of issues and who just solves them for you.

Bergvall is a player who nobody seems to be able to profile. He’s a bit clunky technically but good at some of the one-touch stuff even if he sometimes makes the wrong decisions when he has time to think - he’d be an excellent 5-a-side player right now! Often that makes him look good in the final third but he’s not really a 10. Covers ground well. Reminds me of Dembele (who people forget was a maddeningly frustrating player in his early Spurs days). Needs to be trained at a specific role, probably a deeper one than he’s often played, and would probably benefit from a loan to achieve this.

Palhinha is really good at what he does but none of that is progressive passing or press resistance.

Bentancur is the one who could do it all - pass, carry, receive the ball deep under pressure, and do the OOP stuff too - but injuries have ruined him and I’m not sure he’ll recover at this point.

Summer signings (whatever league we end up in) absolutely have to focus on raising the technical level of the midfield above that of our peers. We have enough physical profiles that we can afford to carry someone who is primarily a technician in midfield (of course the golden goose is finding someone who is physically elite and also a top technical player, but those profiles are diamonds) and really what that means is a passer, not a carry-first player, as we have those already.
 
It’s been clear for a long time but the stats in the piece illustrate it nicely. We’ve overinvested in the wrong profiles - we saw what that does when only one of your top technicians (Kudus) is really in a starting state at the beginning of the season, and now they’re all still injured or still not really there (Xavi). Relying on players in the attacking third for nearly all of your technical quality is always going to be problematic even if they’re all fit.

When you look at our stable of CMs the issue becomes clear.

Gallagher and Sarr are very similar - they’re primarily off the ball workhorses. Gallagher is better than Sarr (whether it was worth investing what we did in the circumstances is another question) but you need a couple of these players in a squad. Neither are going to break lines with passing regularly and neither are very comfortable receiving the ball under pressure during buildup. I’d question their role more in a squad built for 4231 as you don’t have that 8 role in the same way you do in a 433.

Bissouma was a player who was extremely press resistant but was always a carry-first player. But he’s declined massively and seems to have been mostly cut out of the squad. He’s a profile you can work with but not perfect at the best of times.

Gray is very smooth technically but it’s only in the last few months he’s really looked comfortable (ish) at the top level in CM. I think he has the progressive passing piece but needs to work on receiving in traffic. He’s a potential player, not a player you slot into a team with lots of issues and who just solves them for you.

Bergvall is a player who nobody seems to be able to profile. He’s a bit clunky technically but good at some of the one-touch stuff even if he sometimes makes the wrong decisions when he has time to think - he’d be an excellent 5-a-side player right now! Often that makes him look good in the final third but he’s not really a 10. Covers ground well. Reminds me of Dembele (who people forget was a maddeningly frustrating player in his early Spurs days). Needs to be trained at a specific role, probably a deeper one than he’s often played, and would probably benefit from a loan to achieve this.

Palhinha is really good at what he does but none of that is progressive passing or press resistance.

Bentancur is the one who could do it all - pass, carry, receive the ball deep under pressure, and do the OOP stuff too - but injuries have ruined him and I’m not sure he’ll recover at this point.

Summer signings (whatever league we end up in) absolutely have to focus on raising the technical level of the midfield above that of our peers. We have enough physical profiles that we can afford to carry someone who is primarily a technician in midfield (of course the golden goose is finding someone who is physically elite and also a top technical player, but those profiles are diamonds) and really what that means is a passer, not a carry-first player, as we have those already.
There's also the issue that, even under Ange, we were built as a counter attacking team - but only a specific type, while Frank's brand of counter attacking needed a lot of short, quick passes that our midfielders bungle multiple times a game since they were brought in for their ball carrying abilities

It's also telling that the one thing our midfield lacks is anyone who can read the game, which is especially noticeable as the current meta for DMs is a Rodri/Wharton/Norgaard type who doesn't break up play with crunching tackles but instead intercepts the pass and immediately gets us on the attack with a pass - which really stands out due to Frank trying to cast Bentancur in that sort of role, in spite him lacking several parts of that toolset

On top of that, it seems Galalgher was brought in to be the line-breaking battering ram that Poch used him as at Chelsea, which is similar to how Frank used Sarr at the start of the season, but since our CBs are better passers than our CMs (or at least were before Romero got nobbled) getting the ball to him in the first place is the issue, and our midfield has really been poor in terms of acting as a screen for the through balls Romero likes to ping from deep that he was connecting with a lot more effectively when we had the Hojbjerg/unbroken Bentancur pivot in front of him
 
Gallagher and Sarr are very similar - they’re primarily off the ball workhorses. Gallagher is better than Sarr (whether it was worth investing what we did in the circumstances is another question) but you need a couple of these players in a squad.
I really don’t think we ever needed Gallagher and his performances so far have epitomised why.

I see him, Sarr, Gray, Bissouma and Bentancur as all being quite similar profiles albeit with a few differing attributes. Pre-ACL Bentancur wipes the floor with them all but between the bunch of them, adding Gallagher to it just made absolutely no sense when creativity was such a sore point in the squad and I’ve mentioned already I think he’s on course to toppling Ndombele and Lo Celso as our worst ever buy.

That one really is/ was a Lange special.
 
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I really don’t think we ever needed Gallagher and his performances so far have epitomised why.

I see him, Sarr, Gray, Bissouma and Bentancur as all being quite similar profiles albeit with a few differing attributes. Pre-ACL Bentancur wipes the floor with them all but between the bunch of them, adding Gallagher to it just made absolutely no sense when creativity was such a sore point in the squad and I’ve mentioned already I think he’s on course to toppling Ndombele and Lo Celso as our worst ever buy.

That one really is/ was a Lange special.
Gallagher very much feels like a club signing, like the board signed him knowing how much Poch likes him
 
I really don’t think we ever needed Gallagher and his performances so far have epitomised why.

I see him, Sarr, Gray, Bissouma and Bentancur as all being quite similar profiles albeit with a few differing attributes. Pre-ACL Bentancur wipes the floor with them all but between the bunch of them, adding Gallagher to it just made absolutely no sense when creativity was such a sore point in the squad and I’ve mentioned already I think he’s on course to toppling Ndombele and Lo Celso as our worst ever buy.

That one really is/ was a Lange special.

Gallagher is the type of player you keep around having developed him from your own academy. HG, good character, does a few things but nothing to an outstanding level. I’ll stand by my view that’s he’s a decent player but there’s absolutely no way we should have invested what we did in him, especially given the other needs we have!

Bentancur wipes the floor with all of them at his best, as you say. A fit Bentancur and Maddison transform this team.