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It doesn't increase players' value though, it makes them impossible to sell.

You can give a turd a tuxedo and a horse drawn carriage, it's still a turd.

Apart from Kane, when was the last time we actually cashed in on the unrealised value you refer to?

Kyle Walker?

Anyone else in the past decade?
Probably only Tripps, albeit I felt we could/ should’ve gotten more. Still made a decent profit on the £3.5m we paid but he was worth more than the rumoured £25m we got.
 
Good reasoning but you overlook the crucial point which makes your answer wrong: the only way to get a lasting edge in modern football is to have more money.

The correlation between money and league success is high,
but not perfect (certainly not in the PL) .

For Spurs, the best periods of league performance (position and
entertainment) have come not because of financial superiority.
 
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I've found myself reflecting back on that game against City at the end of 23/24 that effectively removed Arsenal from the title race.

I got dog's abuse for saying I wanted us to win and push for top 4 even if that meant handing Arsenal the league.

I now feel entirely vindicated, not that it has cheered my up in the slightest.

I find myself laughing immensely at such people, when I told them
at the time that after stunning Villa with that 4-0 thrashing, both
manager and squad then went so spineless < standard > in
the following games (INCLUDING an NLD) that the team should not
have to care about gaving Citeh a game and still losing..
 
It doesn't increase players' value though, it makes them impossible to sell.

You can give a turd a tuxedo and a horse drawn carriage, it's still a turd.

Apart from Kane, when was the last time we actually cashed in on the unrealised value you refer to?

Kyle Walker?

Anyone else in the past decade?
Harry Winks
Oliver Skipp
Juan Foyth
Kevin Wimmer
Benjamin Stambouli
 
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I have no intention of boycotting spurs games. I spend nothing in the club shop etc but the owners are not taking g away my love of live spurs matches. Those idiots have priced me out of all cat A games and many of the cat B ones too so tbh the one tiny consolation of our relegation will be I wont be priced out.

I have written in the past about the role going to WHL had on me as a child, as a dad with 2 girls and of being their in spirit with my son...those morons are not depriving me of that.

As for the rest, I get that there are many views of how and why we are in such a mess but I dont follow spurs for any other reason than they were and are part of my life and even when we are ****e I still get excited when I go.

I am connected to the history and hope of thfc...players and managers like Burkinshaw, venables, Poch plus those who came before like Ramsey and Bill Nicholson.. Ardiles, Perryman, Roberts, Mabbutt, King, Ginola, Edinburgh, Galvin, Villa, Clemence, Parks, Lineaker, Stewart, Gazza, Clive Allen, Archibald, Crooks, Colin Lee ( :bandit: ), Nayim, Eriksen, lloris, Son, Bale, Modric, Keane, Defoe, Kaboul, Klinnsman, Anderton, Kane, Toby and Jan, Rose, Dele Dembele, Walker plus those who came before ...the great football we've seen, the trophies we've won andthe memorable wins and comebacks we've seen and loved.

That's why I'll still go. I get why others chose differently but think it would be wrong to negatively judge each other.

I think all fans have their own versions of connecting with the club and each are as valid as mine so dont mean this as an insult to anyone else.
 
I have no intention of boycotting spurs games. I spend nothing in the club shop etc but the owners are not taking g away my love of live spurs matches. Those idiots have priced me out of all cat A games and many of the cat B ones too so tbh the one tiny consolation of our relegation will be I wont be priced out.

I have written in the past about the role going to WHL had on me as a child, as a dad with 2 girls and of being their in spirit with my son...those morons are not depriving me of that.

As for the rest, I get that there are many views of how and why we are in such a mess but I dont follow spurs for any other reason than they were and are part of my life and even when we are ****e I still get excited when I go.

I am connected to the history and hope of thfc...players and managers like Burkinshaw, venables, Poch plus those who came before like Ramsey and Bill Nicholson.. Ardiles, Perryman, Roberts, Mabbutt, King, Ginola, Edinburgh, Galvin, Villa, Clemence, Parks, Lineaker, Stewart, Gazza, Clive Allen, Archibald, Crooks, Colin Lee ( :bandit: ), Nayim, Eriksen, lloris, Son, Bale, Modric, Keane, Defoe, Kaboul, Klinnsman, Anderton, Kane, Toby and Jan, Rose, Dele Dembele, Walker plus those who came before ...the great football we've seen, the trophies we've won andthe memorable wins and comebacks we've seen and loved.

That's why I'll still go. I get why others chose differently but think it would be wrong to negatively judge each other.

I think all fans have their own versions of connecting with the club and each are as valid as mine so dont mean this as an insult to anyone else.

That's totally fair mate, I understand completely.

In my case tbh my work life has been getting busier recently and for quite some time now I've been falling out of love with the game in general.

Aside from the obscene money at a time when so many people are struggling, I find the modern game is so obsessed with data and systems that most games are mind numbingly boring with very little quality, a problem compounded by the 7mins VAR checks to see if a player's chin was offside. There is so little flamboyance or individual flair in the modern game. I miss the days of the mavericks of the 90s and 00s. Players worth the entry fee on their own.

As for Spurs? There is one player I'd pay to watch and he's been injured all season (Kulu). Couldn't give a toss about the rest of them.

I'm not yet fully decided, but my gut feeling is that relegation will be the final straw for me and I'll call it a day on football.

I guess we'll soon see.
 
Winks and Skipp were pure profit
Wimmer we got 4x what we paid for him
Foyth we got 2x what we paid for him

How is that a "disaster"?

1) All the teams we're meant to be competing with have generated tens of not hundreds of millions of more than us from player sales over the past decade.

2) Now make a little list of all the players we've sold at a loss, that is if we managed to sell them at all <laugh>
 
1) All the teams we're meant to be competing with have generated tens of not hundreds of millions of more than us from player sales over the past decade.

2) Now make a little list of all the players we've sold at a loss, that is if we managed to sell them at all <laugh>
1.) Figures which were massively skewed by the Saudi League sportswashing extravaganza
2.) The overwhelming majority of players are sold at a loss, so you're really not making the point you think you are here
 
Ndombele - £60m loss
Johnson - £17m loss
Lo Celso - £32m loss
Gil - £24m loss
Royal - £8m loss
Sessegnon - £30m loss
Sanchez - £27m loss
Janssen - £14m loss
Soldado - £15m loss
Njie - £8m loss

I'll be generous and not count the loss we made on Sissoko, as he was at the end of his career.

£235m lost in a decade on players who we signed expecting to either see success, or a healthy profit.

"Not a disaster".

<laugh>
 
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1.) Figures which were massively skewed by the Saudi League sportswashing extravaganza
2.) The overwhelming majority of players are sold at a loss, so you're really not making the point you think you are here

I'm not going to be drawn into one of your all-night repetitive debates, so let's just settle this with a question:

Am I right in my understanding that in your opinion, our recruitment and selling over the past decade has been top notch?
 
What did @KingHotspur think when Clattenberg came out years later and admitted he was influenced by the narrative regarding the Lesta fairytale during 'the battle of the bridge' in 2016?

We could feel it during the season, we definitely witnessed his officiating during the game and his admission later is on record.

So I don't have an issue with fans calling refs out. The refs aren't why we are getting relegated but when you are in the **** then refs messing things up just hit twice as bad.
Have you got a link for this bro?

All I can see is that he says it was the hardest game he’s had to referee and could have sent Dier off later on but it was a fine line between ruining the game and managing the spectacle.

I’d definitely be interested in reading this admission that he was influenced by the Leicester fairytale. The only thing I’ve seen about that is when he says as a human like everybody else he wanted to see it but not as a referee during a game.
 
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Have you got a link for this bro?

All I can see is that he says it was the hardest game he’s had to referee and could have sent Dier off later on but it was a fine line between ruining the game and managing the spectacle.

I’d definitely be interested in reading this admission that he was influenced by the Leicester fairytale. The only thing I’ve seen about that is when he says as a human like everybody else he wanted to see it but not as a referee during a game.
Danny Simpson went one further when it comes to Clattenburg being influenced that season

 
Have you got a link for this bro?

All I can see is that he says it was the hardest game he’s had to referee and could have sent Dier off later on but it was a fine line between ruining the game and managing the spectacle.

I’d definitely be interested in reading this admission that he was influenced by the Leicester fairytale. The only thing I’ve seen about that is when he says as a human like everybody else he wanted to see it but not as a referee during a game.

Will look for it bro

Just watching the games atm
 
Ndombele - £60m loss
Johnson - £17m loss
Lo Celso - £32m loss
Gil - £24m loss
Royal - £8m loss
Sessegnon - £30m loss
Sanchez - £27m loss
Janssen - £14m loss
Soldado - £15m loss
Njie - £8m loss

I'll be generous and not count the loss we made on Sissoko, as he was at the end of his career.

£235m lost in a decade on players who we signed expecting to either see success, or a healthy profit.

"Not a disaster".

<laugh>
Aurier also left on a free after we paid £24m.

Can almost guarantee we’ll make losses on Gallagher, Simons, Richarlison and Solanke too.

Pound for pound we’ve probably had the worst hit rate in the league over the last decade. For about 5-6 of those years it was papered over thanks to the brilliance of Kane and Son. Not around to do that any more and it’s really showing.
 
I have no intention of boycotting spurs games. I spend nothing in the club shop etc but the owners are not taking g away my love of live spurs matches. Those idiots have priced me out of all cat A games and many of the cat B ones too so tbh the one tiny consolation of our relegation will be I wont be priced out.

I have written in the past about the role going to WHL had on me as a child, as a dad with 2 girls and of being their in spirit with my son...those morons are not depriving me of that.

As for the rest, I get that there are many views of how and why we are in such a mess but I dont follow spurs for any other reason than they were and are part of my life and even when we are ****e I still get excited when I go.

I am connected to the history and hope of thfc...players and managers like Burkinshaw, venables, Poch plus those who came before like Ramsey and Bill Nicholson.. Ardiles, Perryman, Roberts, Mabbutt, King, Ginola, Edinburgh, Galvin, Villa, Clemence, Parks, Lineaker, Stewart, Gazza, Clive Allen, Archibald, Crooks, Colin Lee ( :bandit: ), Nayim, Eriksen, lloris, Son, Bale, Modric, Keane, Defoe, Kaboul, Klinnsman, Anderton, Kane, Toby and Jan, Rose, Dele Dembele, Walker plus those who came before ...the great football we've seen, the trophies we've won andthe memorable wins and comebacks we've seen and loved.

That's why I'll still go. I get why others chose differently but think it would be wrong to negatively judge each other.

I think all fans have their own versions of connecting with the club and each are as valid as mine so dont mean this as an insult to anyone else.
I'm the same, any gear/shirts I have tend to be off eBay. Can't afford the official sources and wouldn't give 'em my money....<laugh>

I'll be there next season regardless I just hope my friend who serves me a beer is there as well. It's those I feel most sorry for as inevitably they will feel the brunt of the obvious cull that happens when the drop happens....
 
Aurier also left on a free after we paid £24m.

Can almost guarantee we’ll make losses on Gallagher, Simons, Richarlison and Solanke too.

Pound for pound we’ve probably had the worst hit rate in the league over the last decade. For about 5-6 of those years it was papered over thanks to the brilliance of Kane and Son. Not around to do that any more and it’s really showing.

Yeah but don't forget we made a £2.50 profit on Juan Foyth <laugh>
 
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