General Erection 2019

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Who will you vote for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 4 16.0%

  • Labour

    Votes: 11 44.0%

  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 2 8.0%

  • Farage

    Votes: 2 8.0%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 1 4.0%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 4.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 4.0%

  • Abstain

    Votes: 3 12.0%
  • Total voters
    25
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People seem to be only concerned with the taxation of the workers in the UK. I think we can all agree the real issues are the massive corporations who make full use of taxation loopholes. They need to be addressed and that money needs to be reinvested in our economy. A Tory government won't fix this.
 
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ademuzzy said:
People seem to be only concerned with the taxation of the workers in the UK. I think we can all agree the real issues are the massive corporations who make full use of taxation loopholes. They need to be addressed and that money needs to be reinvested in our economy. A Tory government won't fix this.
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No one will ever fix it. Start taxing them and they'll just **** off to another country. Would need the entire world to work in unison but the wealthy control things so couldn't ever happen anyway.

As I said the other day, neither party give a **** about the working Man!
 
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Zanjinho said:
No one will ever fix it. Start taxing them and they'll just **** off to another country. Would need the entire world to work in unison but the wealthy control things so couldn't ever happen anyway.

As I said the other day, neither party give a **** about the working Man!
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I get your point but I do think it can be done better than currently. Manufacturing etc can definitely move for financial gains but services delivered in this country (Google/FB/Amazon etc) want to continue operating here so will pay more if made to. The real problem is how to set the rules up to enforce it as the richest businesses have the smartest accountants.
 
At least we arent as bad as america. Cities actual bud to get big companies to come to them. Bribing the likes of PayPal, Amazon, Google and co to fight to get them in their state. Absolutely backwards
 
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I get your point but I do think it can be done better than currently. Manufacturing etc can definitely move for financial gains but services delivered in this country (Google/FB/Amazon etc) want to continue operating here so will pay more if made to. The real problem is how to set the rules up to enforce it as the richest businesses have the smartest accountants.
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On the other side, if we did manage to get these companies to pay more, who would actually pay it? Would the companies take it out if their profits or would they simply increase what they charge to cover the difference? Obviously it would be the latter and therefore another thing the working man as to pay for
 
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Zanjinho said:
No one will ever fix it. Start taxing them and they'll just **** off to another country. Would need the entire world to work in unison but the wealthy control things so couldn't ever happen anyway.

As I said the other day, neither party give a **** about the working Man!
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I Agree. I agree with the general principle of Corporations should pay more tax but People who say this do not understand the complexity of tax law or realise that we are in competition with other nations. Sure, Labour will apply a transaction tax on the online, offshore companies like Amazon......guess who will pay that! <doh>

I actually believe that Corporations could play a bigger part with healthcare and that this is more realistic to achieve - not to reduce the NHS but to support it. Imagine the relief on the NHS budget if you made companies pay for the welfare of their employees. Not that radical really.
 
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Zanjinho said:
On the other side, if we did manage to get these companies to pay more, who would actually pay it? Would the companies take it out if their profits or would they simply increase what they charge to cover the difference? Obviously it would be the latter and therefore another thing the working man as to pay for
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SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING said:
I Agree. I agree with the general principle of Corporations should pay more tax but People who say this do not understand the complexity of tax law or realise that we are in competition with other nations. Sure, Labour will apply a transaction tax on the online, offshore companies like Amazon......guess who will pay that! <doh>
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<doh>
 
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Zanjinho said:
No one will ever fix it. Start taxing them and they'll just **** off to another country. Would need the entire world to work in unison but the wealthy control things so couldn't ever happen anyway.

As I said the other day, neither party give a **** about the working Man!
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There is no way amazon, Starbucks etc just up and leave if we raise the tax or close the loopholes. There are other countries who have high tax for those companies and they haven't left there.

The notion that if tax goes up, they will leave Is a fallacy. You think Starbucks would cease trading in the UK if they paid tax? Not a chance.
 
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ademuzzy said:
There is no way amazon, Starbucks etc just up and leave if we raise the tax or close the loopholes. There are other countries who have high tax for those companies and they haven't left there.

The notion that if tax goes up, they will leave Is a fallacy. You think Starbucks would cease trading in the UK if they paid tax? Not a chance.
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Starbucks is a bit different. They have premises and want to be selling in this country so it's hard to avoid. However, they would still pass the book and charge the customers more to make up the profit loss.

Amazon could **** off though. It's a online company that as no commitment to the UK. They could easily operate a service here from abroad.


Back to my original point though; the country is run by money men. Money men own the big companies. Big companies don't want to pay big taxes. How do you changed it so they have to pay more? It's easier said than done!
 
ademuzzy said:
There is no way amazon, Starbucks etc just up and leave if we raise the tax or close the loopholes. There are other countries who have high tax for those companies and they haven't left there.

The notion that if tax goes up, they will leave Is a fallacy. You think Starbucks would cease trading in the UK if they paid tax? Not a chance.
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For these guys one or two things will happen; prices will go up and/or they’ll lay people off. Then they’ll stop investing......and it’s the investment that drives growth....

If you apply it to manufacturers, they’ll find a loophole, leave or most likely if they’re large, negotiate a favourable tax deal with a desperate government.

If the government do not accept that we are competing with other countries for investment, we’re doomed.

This is very basic economics tbh.
 
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