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[Brian Storm]

Just replied to RAW'S post with similar issues.

She's been Appalling!

But the only thing more frightening than having May across the table opposite the EU is Corbyn. His heart is with the EU.

What staggers me is that, every other issue, compared to Brexit, is irrelevant compared to the higgest decision facing the UK since WW2.

Does anyone think that Corbyn will negotiate the **** out of the EU until they get tired and give up and go home? Coz that's what I'd want from my lead negotiator.

National and local politics has to take a sidestep, just for now.

G'night. Should've been knocking out Zeds ages ago.

Tories were the most vocal for remain though. The PM stood down cause of it.

Coybyn understands give and take, He's an expert in negotiation who has saved thousands of lives. Just cause he won't go in all guns blazing negotiating aggressively, rubbing them up the wrong way with threats of walking away and ripping up human rights like May has, doesn't mean his diplomatic approach will get us a bad deal.

Her doing anything else as PM frankly scares the **** out of my. Tories doing anything else in government scares the **** out of me.

They're in bed with the Saudies. Having their palms greased and selling them arms, while the Saudis are funding Terror. How ****ed up a foreign policy is that? No way do I want this batch of tories representing us to the world in any way. Not for brexit, not for middle eastern negotiation not for anything.

 

[MrRAWhite]

He's had a fantastic election RAW. This is the highlight of his political career.

But being won over?

The links with the IRA, Hamas, Al Muhajiroun?

The disloyalty of far, far too many votes against his own party during his parliamentary career?

Re-nationalisation? Do we really have to go back to the 1970's to move forward?

The renationalisation of our amenities and transport are one of the main reasons why I have loved this manifesto. The thought of German, French and Chinese governments being the major owners of these essentials scares the hell out of me.

 

[Burly Hurley]

Tories were the most vocal for remain though. The PM stood down cause of it.

Coybyn understands give and take, He's an expert in negotiation who has saved thousands of lives. Just cause he won't go in all guns blazing negotiating aggressively, rubbing them up the wrong way with threats of walking away and ripping up human rights like May has, doesn't mean his diplomatic approach will get us a bad deal.

Her doing anything else as PM frankly scares the **** out of my. Tories doing anything else in government scares the **** out of me.

They're in bed with the Saudies. Having their palms greased and selling them arms, while the Saudis are funding Terror. How ****ed up a foreign policy is that? No way do I want this batch of tories representing us to the world in any way. Not for brexit, not for middle eastern negotiation not for anything.

The renationalisation of our amenities and transport are one of the main reasons why I have loved this manifesto. The thought of German, French and Chinese governments being the major owners of these essentials scares the hell out of me.

They've owned them for years RAW.

@Bri your last post deserved a better response than this but I'm up again for work in less than 5 hours.

G'night.

 

[Brian Storm]

They've owned them for years RAW.

@Bri your last post deserved a better response than this but I'm up again for work in less than 5 hours.

G'night.

Not important in the grand scheme. Good night fella.

 

[MrRAWhite]

They've owned them for years RAW.

@Bri your last post deserved a better response than this but I'm up again for work in less than 5 hours.

G'night.

I know..It is a national disgrace..

 

[Brian Storm]

Not important in the grand scheme. Good night fella.

Not the subject matter, that's very important. I mean my opinion at this point in the election.

 

[MrRAWhite]

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[Brian Storm]

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Doesn't count, doesn't fit the Tory agenda.

 

[Nostalgic]

With the polls about to open it may be worth remembering the antecedents of the main parties. The Tories are the ruling class and their main support comes from those outside the industrial zones. The Labour Party was born out of the Workers Unions which sprung from workers banding together to get some rights of employment via less working hours and better pay.

Not much gets mentioned about the Peterloo Massacre of Manchester Mill Workers who were seeking better conditions. Miners who worked in terrifying conditions digging coal for the landowner who paid them in tallies to be spent in the colliery shop that the landowner owned.

In the run in to the 1945 election Churchill preached going back to pre-war conditions which had 1918 written all over it. Labour produced a manifesto promising change via better conditions in health and housing and war weary working folk put their faith in them and ended up with a National Health Service, a forty hour week and much improved conditions. Post war Britain thrived but a right-wing press reported about the economy which was a wreck, but so was everybody else's, they got their way with a Tory government. Maggie changed the game by harping about the "wealth makers" and many bought into it. Historically the Industrial Revolution would not have worked if the inventors did not have the muscle power to invoke it.

Sorry if this a history lesson but what we all have now has been gained by standing on the shoulders of giants as the saying goes. Maggie changed the game by harping about the "wealth makers" and many bought into it. Historically the Industrial Revolution would not have worked if the inventors did not have the muscle power to invoke it.

 

[Brian Storm]

Still not late to change you mind and get shot of this liability

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Theresa May agreed to a last-minute interview with Jon Snow. She’s regretting it now [VIDEO]

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Theresa May agreed to a last-minute interview with Channel 4‘s Jon Snow. But she’s probably regretting it now. Anchor Snow called the sitting Prime Minister out for her campaign, which even Conservative MPs have denounced as a “clusterfuck“:

People have seen you as never before, up close, and the question really is – if you run the Brexit negotiations as indifferently as your campaign appears to be run, they can be very worried​

Afterwards, Channel 4 Political Editor Gary Gibbon pointed out how absent the Conservative leader can appear in media appearances:

Well I’m glad you caught up with her, but it sometimes feels as though you’re in a separate room.​

Gibbon then branded May’s “rigid” behaviour “one of the stories of this election”.

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‘Rigid’

A local paper in Plymouth had a similar experience with May to what Gibbon describes.
Plymouth Herald reporter Sam Blackledge gave a telling verdict on his interview with the incumbent Prime Minister:

Before 8.30am today, I had never interviewed a Prime Minister. Heading back to the office to transcribe my encounter with Theresa May at Plymouth’s fish market, I couldn’t be certain that had changed.​

The local paper summed up the interview as “three minutes of nothing” and “without clarity, candour, or transparency”.
May’s campaign

Snow also questioned May on the failure of making her campaign about her personality:

The way you call them ‘my Brexit negotiations’ defines exactly how you’ve run this campaign – me, mine, me, Theresa May… that is perhaps one of the ways in which the campaign’s gone wrong​

The Conservative leader responded with meaningless platitudes:

When we look into the Brexit negotiations, what we want is strong and stable leadership. What we want is a clear plan going into those negotiations.​

On the contrary, as Snow points out, we haven’t received any resemblance of a clear plan for Brexit other than feelgood soundbites. Under immense pressure, May finally agreed to the interview with Snow. But she remains the first sitting Prime Minister in 40 years to duck a BBC Radio 2 media appearance during a general election. And on Channel 4, Snow called out a campaign beset by embarrassment.

 

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Just replied to RAW'S post with similar issues.

She's been Appalling!

But the only thing more frightening than having May across the table opposite the EU is Corbyn. His heart is with the EU.

What staggers me is that, every other issue, compared to Brexit, is irrelevant compared to the higgest decision facing the UK since WW2.

Does anyone think that Corbyn will negotiate the **** out of the EU until they get tired and give up and go home? Coz that's what I'd want from my lead negotiator.

National and local politics has to take a sidestep, just for now.

G'night. Should've been knocking out Zeds ages ago.

No it isn't - he was against the EU until the party decided that they would be in the remain camp together with Mrs May who incidentally also kept a very low profile during the brexit campaign as well. I remember Corbyn being critisised for not campaigning for remain enough while May realised that this was an internal Tory struggle and kept in the background waiting for the other tories to fight it out and then she could move in.

Edit : thinking about it it could also be that the remain camp realised she was a liability and kept her out of the spotlight

 

[Sidthemackem]

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Ho ho. That's Martin McGuinness of Sinn Fein, post armed struggle, as you very well know . JC was giving the IRA large at the height of the Troubles, which is a tad different. Interestingly, Corbyn is generally opposed to the EU, along with many on the left, who regard it, as do I, as a source of cheap labour for big business. Now the Poles and Czechs are getting expensive, we've brought in the Bulgarians and Romanians, and when they get uppity it'll be the Albanians and Serbs.

 

[MrRAWhite]

Ho ho. That's Martin McGuinness of Sinn Fein, post armed struggle, as you very well know . JC was giving the IRA large at the height of the Troubles, which is a tad different. Interestingly, Corbyn is generally opposed to the EU, along with many on the left, who regard it, as do I, as a source of cheap labour for big business. Now the Poles and Czechs are getting expensive, we've brought in the Bulgarians and Romanians, and when they get uppity it'll be the Albanians and Serbs.

And when we leave the EU it will be more Asians and Africans which is not what I believe the average UKIP voter had in mind..

 

[Sidthemackem]

And when we leave the EU it will be more Asians and Africans which is not what I believe the average UKIP voter had in mind..

Don't be daft, it'll be EU citizens, same as before. You don't seriously think they can do without them? Whatever UKIP voters think (and thank God the party seems to be a busted flush now) you can't effectively operate in the world economy with movement of labour. Not necessarily "free" movement, i.e. unrestricted, but movement nonetheless.

 

[MrRAWhite]

Don't be daft, it'll be EU citizens, same as before. You don't seriously think they can do without them? Whatever UKIP voters think (and thank God the party seems to be a busted flush now) you can't effectively operate in the world economy with movement of labour. Not necessarily "free" movement, i.e. unrestricted, but movement nonetheless.

In an unrestricted free market, which has long been a trait of the right wing of the Tory party and UKIP, then that will mean going for the cheapest option. That will mean either moving jobs to cheaper labour areas or bringing the cheapest option here.. The cheapest labour will be in Africa and Asia.. We have already witnessed tens of thousands of call centre jobs moved to India..

 

[Sidthemackem]

In an unrestricted free market, which has long been a trait of the right wing of the Tory party and UKIP, then that will mean going for the cheapest option. That will mean either moving jobs to cheaper labour areas or bringing the cheapest option here.. The cheapest labour will be in Africa and Asia.. We have already witnessed tens of thousands of call centre jobs moved to India..

What? Are you suggesting the NHS will be outsourced to India? 'Cos there's no way we're replacing 140,000 staff with Africans and Asians...

 

[MrRAWhite]

What? Are you suggesting the NHS will be outsourced to India? 'Cos there's no way we're replacing 140,000 staff with Africans and Asians...

How many from there do you think work there now mate? The fact is we have not been training enough of our own doctors and nurses for years, and the number of Asian doctors we have now could possibly be the majority..

 

[Sidthemackem]

My lad's life was saved by an Iraqi doctor. Him and his team (also Iraqi) looked like the biggest bunch of cutthroats you've seen

 

[MrRAWhite]

My lad's life was saved by an Iraqi doctor. Him and his team (also Iraqi) looked like the biggest bunch of cutthroats you've seen

Don't get me wrong.. I welcome the fact that we have Asian doctors here, although i would rather we train our own instead of recruiting doctors that other nations have spent time and money training, but my point was that those voting to stop immigration will not be happy that coming out of Europe will just mean Asians and Africans replacing Europeans.

 

[Sidthemackem]

Don't get me wrong.. I welcome the fact that we have Asian doctors here, although i would rather we train our own instead of recruiting doctors that other nations have spent time and money training, but my point was that those voting to stop immigration will not be happy that coming out of Europe will just mean Asians and Africans replacing Europeans.

Who cares?