Off Topic General Election

superhorns said:
It is easy to justify electing the Tories because they have sensible fiscal policies. Opponents have to create a vision of social problems because the only possible alternative is in such disarray. You can only help the disadvantaged by maintaining the confidence in the UK government. Labour's un-costed spending spree would seriously damage the UK's reputation for prudence, leading to lower credit rating and much higher borrowing cost.
Good intentions are useless without competence.

I agree the French socialists are squabbling like their UK comrades but the UMP would have walked it had Fillon was not added to the long list of cheating French politicians.
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Right I think I get it now. In your world there are no social problems, they are some imaginary situations dreamed up against the Tory party.

By the way the UMP no longer exists, and Fillon was allowed to make a fool of himself by Juppé.
 
colognehornet said:
Remember SH. that the Tories have spent more for each year they have been in government since the war, than Labour have. Labour has also paid back more outstanding loans per year in government than the Tories have - that is fact. The facts suggest strongly that it is the Tories which are the spendthrift party.
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Most of the Tory borrowing has been since taking over from the inept Labour Party in 2010. I agree the Tories should have implemented proper austerity similar to the Irish to keep the national debt lower.

The Labour Party have a well deserved reputation for financial incompetence. The UK's electorate have this impression, it is proving impossible to shake off.
 
superhorns said:
I know some of you guys were very upset that UKIP managed to obtain 4 million votes for only 1 MP but the UK system is rigged to prevent any challenge to the two party norm. I very much doubt either of these two parties will volunteer to change the system. There is also very little interest from the electorate to change either so the two parties will dominate well into the future unless the LP implodes.
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and SH do you think that is a fair and just democratic system.?
If it were to be changed how would you change it?
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
Right I think I get it now. In your world there are no social problems, they are some imaginary situations dreamed up against the Tory party.

By the way the UMP no longer exists, and Fillon was allowed to make a fool of himself by Juppé.
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Of course there are social problems in every country. The French government are handling these less well than the UK.

Fillon would have been elected without his scandal. If Macron is elected you will have your centre party if he can find some support.
 
yorkshirehornet said:
and SH do you think that is a fair and just democratic system.?
If it were to be changed how would you change it?
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As a supporter of one of the two parties I am quite happy with the current version of democracy that has served the UK well. I would oppose change.
 
superhorns said:
As a supporter of one of the two parties I am quite happy with the current version of democracy that has served the UK well. I would oppose change.
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IMO it is a flawed and outdated system which is divisive and confrontational. I favour a different sort of world.

I noticed you moaning about the Upper House, only I expect because it was not inclined to vote your way??
 
I will not get into a debate with you on French politics as this is a thread about the General Election. It seems a great pity to me that you simply say that every country has social problems, including the UK, yet you do not question if there could be a better way of helping out the disadvantaged. It seems that you have never thought outside the box of what the Tories tell you. There are no easy answers, but a country that leaves some to suffer is in need of a different approach. It is a failing government, and eventually will get it's reward.
 
superhorns said:
As a supporter of one of the two parties I am quite happy with the current version of democracy that has served the UK well. I would oppose change.
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It has not served the UK well SH. The country has had 200 years to solve the north south divide yet has failed to do so - it has the most unequal distribution of wealth in Western Europe, the oldest housing stock, the lowest level of social mobility in the Western World, and is in imminent danger of breaking up. I would suggest that the Tories have been the party of government for well over a hundred of those years, so where does the responsibility lie ?
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
I will not get into a debate with you on French politics as this is a thread about the General Election. It seems a great pity to me that you simply say that every country has social problems, including the UK, yet you do not question if there could be a better way of helping out the disadvantaged. It seems that you have never thought outside the box of what the Tories tell you. There are no easy answers, but a country that leaves some to suffer is in need of a different approach. It is a failing government, and eventually will get it's reward.
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I have lived through Labour governments, each clearly showed they had no answers to the disadvantaged in society, all they could offer was borrow and spend. The majority of the electorate in the UK clearly thinks the Tories are the best option, I'm inclined to agree with them. It is astonishing that a sitting government actually wins seats in local elections. The support for a Tory government is increasing after seven years in power with another five years to look forward to. The public want competence and security in a government.

You should be more worried about the failings of your chosen country, high unemployment and large groups of alienated sections in society.
 
colognehornet said:
It has not served the UK well SH. The country has had 200 years to solve the north south divide yet has failed to do so - it has the most unequal distribution of wealth in Western Europe, the oldest housing stock, the lowest level of social mobility in the Western World, and is in imminent danger of breaking up. I would suggest that the Tories have been the party of government for well over a hundred of those years, so where does the responsibility lie ?
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You do not seem to be convincing the ever increasing numbers voting Tory. They firmly believe the socialists have no answers at all.
 
superhorns said:
I have lived through Labour governments, each clearly showed they had no answers to the disadvantaged in society, all they could offer was borrow and spend. The majority of the electorate in the UK clearly thinks the Tories are the best option, I'm inclined to agree with them. It is astonishing that a sitting government actually wins seats in local elections. The support for a Tory government is increasing after seven years in power with another five years to look forward to. The public want competence and security in a government.

You should be more worried about the failings of your chosen country, high unemployment and large groups of alienated sections in society.
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i think it has been clearly shown that the economy has remained fairly similar whichever party has been in power... deficit never dcreasing under the Tories for all their rhetoric.

ANOTHER dig at Frenchie and France i see.... I guess it must make you feel better? Start your own thread about France why dont you???


superhorns said:
You do not seem to be convincing the ever increasing numbers voting Tory. They firmly believe the socialists have no answers at all.
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We are in the grips of neo-populism..... it will swing , it always does....... and Govts that care for their needy will return...
 
yorkshirehornet said:
i think it has been clearly shown that the economy has remained fairly similar whichever party has been in power... deficit never dcreasing under the Tories for all their rhetoric.

ANOTHER dig at Frenchie and France i see.... I guess it must make you feel better? Start your own thread about France why dont you???




We are in the grips of neo-populism..... it will swing , it always does....... and Govts that care for their needy will return...
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It is relevant to compare our ruling political party with alternatives in other countries, particularly at the moment.

You might have to wait an awfully long time for a swing according to Neil Kinnock!!! :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
superhorns said:
It is relevant to compare our ruling political party with alternatives in other countries, particularly at the moment.

You might have to wait an awfully long time for a swing according to Neil Kinnock!!! :emoticon-0105-wink:
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I think the left-right of traditional two party politics of this country had been ( temporarily??) swept away post Brexit.... and I believe that Nationalism and populism are proving very attractive to a lot of voters.

Kinnock is a nice man ;)
 
yorkshirehornet said:
I think the left-right of traditional two party politics of this country had been ( temporarily??) swept away post Brexit.... and I believe that Nationalism and populism are proving very attractive to a lot of voters.

Kinnock is a nice man ;)
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Kinnock is obviously more of a realist than many on here. He knows there is a mountain to climb for Labour to be back in power especially with the boundary changes in 2019.

I read a good article in the Sunday Times yesterday about the extreme left in the Labour Party being more concerned about ditching the Blairites in the party than being in power. This election will strengthen the hand of the left making the prospect of becoming a ruling party even more remote.
 
superhorns said:
Kinnock is obviously more of a realist than many on here. He knows there is a mountain to climb for Labour to be back in power especially with the boundary changes in 2019.

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yes but regardless of that the electorate will vote for and engineer change almost in spite of the parties.

Look how Trump got in.

and how the 'will of the people' (<doh>) was for Brexit even though the country will be poorer for probably 10-20 years and there will be little sign of any gains for anyone....
 
yorkshirehornet said:
yes but regardless of that the electorate will vote for and engineer change almost in spite of the parties.

Look how Trump got in.

and how the 'will of the people' (<doh>) was for Brexit even though the country will be poorer for probably 10-20 years and there will be little sign of any gains for anyone....
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Can you enlighten me when and which new party will be in government?
 
I wonder if Harry Potter had an element of political satire in it. Surely Slytherin, Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw must represent the main parties - not sure about Gryffindor though. :) (I also wonder whether posters on here would agree which party was which - I have my idea)
 
EdHorn said:
I wonder if Harry Potter had an element of political satire in it. Surely Slytherin, Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw must represent the main parties - not sure about Gryffindor though. :) (I also wonder whether posters on here would agree which party was which - I have my idea)
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I am afraid that I cannot help as I have never read the books or seen the films. I am sure that others will have though.

My brother in law suffers from dyslexia and had never managed to read an entire book until at the age of 70 when he picked up one of the grandchildren's Harry Potter books. Since then his reading and writing of e-mails has come on in leaps and bounds.
 
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