I would be very surprised if anyone on this forum had not already made up their mind, regardless of whether or not they agree/disagree with policies -and politicians themselves are to blame for that. On the one hand we currently have a government in power who trumpet their successes when they are not actually successes, backed up by an apparently unbiased media - and an opposition who speak out against that government, but, when it comes to the crunch, vote with that government or abstain. And I'm sure that anyone wishing to get a clear picture from both sides would expect to do so by tuning in to live Parliamentary debates or PMQs - unfortunately, that simply isn't the case. Lies are repeated ad nauseum in the apparent hope that they magically turn into truths.
- I was not expecting anybody would change their mind in cyber-debate. It is rare enough in pub discussions.
What I was commenting on was that I thought the election debate on here might bring out a range of things people did or did not want; whether they thought brexit was / was not the only issue this time; whether the election should / should not have been called; whether FPTP would give a fair / skewed result etc etc.
Instead it reminds me of the old joke where monks in a monastery told jokes by numbers because they knew them all by heart. With perhaps one exception everyone on here seems to agree with each other and just posts the same comment and same cartoons that they all agree with. Nothing wrong with that of course but it is more like a club - or perhaps old peoples home where there is nothing new and the same old stuff is agreed with by all.
Not exactly stimulating. Some forums have people with very different views - they will never persuade each other but it is interesting to observe the points they make. Here it is just "here, here". Perhaps Yorkshirehornet put his finger on it by saying some who thought differently no longer post here. Who knows? As I say not a problem but amazes me we have got to 245 posts without any real debate. Or is it just me?
Coming from someone who has managed to insult, or belittle, around 10 different posters at some time this is a bit rich.
I keep hearing that Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable (as if it were an understood fact) - yet rarely an explanation of why. I would like someone to actually explain (in terms of policy, not personality) why they believe this to be the case. For me he is not left wing enough, undecided on Brexit, but, other than that, ok. Except that I would go a lot further and not only scrap Trident, but also withdraw from NATO - this is simply a mask to preserve the American dominated status quo in the World - an instrument to further their interests. Always we fall for the same old lies - they station troops and missiles on Russia's doorstep, and when Russia does something then they are the aggressor and not NATO. I say 'out now'. I also have doubts about Corbyn because he is not a member of 'Republican Britain' - ie. he is prepared to tolerate Elizabeth Winsor (and all her offspring) whereas I am not - where is Cromwell when you need him ?
What I was commenting on was that I thought the election debate on here might bring out a range of things people did or did not want; whether they thought brexit was / was not the only issue this time; whether the election should / should not have been called; whether FPTP would give a fair / skewed result etc etc.
Instead it reminds me of the old joke where monks in a monastery told jokes by numbers because they knew them all by heart. With perhaps one exception everyone on here seems to agree with each other and just posts the same comment and same cartoons that they all agree with. Nothing wrong with that of course but it is more like a club - or perhaps old peoples home where there is nothing new and the same old stuff is agreed with by all.
Not exactly stimulating. Some forums have people with very different views - they will never persuade each other but it is interesting to observe the points they make. Here it is just "here, here". Perhaps Yorkshirehornet put his finger on it by saying some who thought differently no longer post here. Who knows? As I say not a problem but amazes me we have got to 245 posts without any real debate. Or is it just me?
Unfortunately I do not see any signs of the 2 party system disappearing in the UK. It would need a PR. system for that to happen. In terms of their share of the vote the combined Tory/Labour vote has been dropping consistently over the years - meaning that about 30-35% of the electorate are now voting for other parties but it does not translate into seats and so is, effectively , disenfranchised. Unfortunately the voting system in the UK. ensures that the majority of the people are always against the government of the day - which, over a number of years, alienates people from politics.
Remember SH. that the Tories have spent more for each year they have been in government since the war, than Labour have. Labour has also paid back more outstanding loans per year in government than the Tories have - that is fact. The facts suggest strongly that it is the Tories which are the spendthrift party.
