Off Topic General Election

Interestingly the two latest polls in Scotland show a significant swing away from the SNP to the Tories. The SNP could lose up to 10 seats to the Tories. A Panelbase poll put the SNP on 44%, Tories 33%, Labour 13%,. If this swing turns out to be the actual result it could put Angus Robertson's seat in danger. Labour could lose its only MP.
 
The Lib Dems in Watford are breathing a huge sigh of relief, as Dorothy Thornhill has said that she's not going to be their candidate. Unfortunately for everyone else, it means that she stays on as Mayor.
 
The Scottish Tory 'leader' displays her hypocrisy (or stupidity?) - and disdain for UK's disabled, from whom the Tories are taking away mobility vehicles at the rate of 800 a week. <grr>

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superhorns said:
Britain Elects @britainelects
Welsh local election voting intention:

LAB: 28% (-9)
CON: 26% (+13)
PC: 19% (+2)
UKIP: 8% (+7)
LDEM: 7% (-1)
OTH: 12% (-10)

(via YouGov)

4:36 PM - 24 Apr 2017

It looks as if the Tories and UKIP will be the big winners in the Welsh local election. Not surprising Labour is the big loser. No gains for the Lib Dems.
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The YouGov figures for the general election look even worse for Labour with the Tories set to take control of Wales for the first time in 100 years. Massive boost for the government and Theresa May.
 
Despite Theresa May claiming that the country was coming together, the latest YouGov survey shows this to be clearly untrue. The same percentage of people think that leaving the EU is wrong as those who still wish it to happen. It is no wonder she doesn't wish to defend her statements in a debate that all those interested can watch.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
Despite Theresa May claiming that the country was coming together, the latest YouGov survey shows this to be clearly untrue. The same percentage of people think that leaving the EU is wrong as those who still wish it to happen. It is no wonder she doesn't wish to defend her statements in a debate that all those interested can watch.
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The YouGov poll backs up the PM's claim that the country is coming together. 69% think Brexit should go ahead, 21% do not. A clear mandate for Theresa May.
 
superhorns said:
The YouGov poll backs up the PM's claim that the country is coming together. 69% think Brexit should go ahead, 21% do not. A clear mandate for Theresa May.
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I have no idea what poll you are looking at, but the YouGov poll that was issued today shows that since the election was called support for leave has fallen, and it is now 44% -44%. No sign whatsoever of the country coming together.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
I have no idea what poll you are looking at, but the YouGov poll that was issued today shows that since the election was called support for leave has fallen, and it is now 44% -44%. No sign whatsoever of the country coming together.
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You are looking at the wrong figures. My figures were taken on March 29th with similar figures as yours 43% to 44%. What the PM is referring to is many of the remainders now want the PM to get on with it. 69% for Brexit 21% against. This has not changed. There is no appetite for a second referendum or blocking Brexit.
 
Norway model looks good to me. It obeys the referendum. It clearly is supported by anyone who wanted to remain. It was sold as a viable alternative in the referendum so if only 10% of brexiters wanted it (1.7m) that would give the Norway model a really clear democratic mandate. The anti-EU arm of the Tory party and UKIP would be the main opponents.
 
superhorns said:
You are looking at the wrong figures. My figures were taken on March 29th with similar figures as yours 43% to 44%. What the PM is referring to is many of the remainders now want the PM to get on with it. 69% for Brexit 21% against. This has not changed. There is no appetite for a second referendum or blocking Brexit.
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I would agree that many people would have voted a different way if it were possible to turn the clock back to the referendum. However, we can't do that, and going back on the Brexit decision would now be a case of going to the EU. and saying 'we made a mistake, please throw article 50 away', which, for many people, would involve a loss of face. There are many people who think we made a mistake, but, having driven off the cliff, can do nothing else but try to steer our vehicle into safety at the bottom. This is why the Tories are so far ahead in the opinion polls - because nobody can imagine a Labour negotiating team now taking over the Brexit negotiations. As a result, the Tories now have almost the entire Brexit camp on their side, whereas the remain, or 'soft Brexit' camp is split over several parties.
 
You are looking at the wrong figures. You become more desperate by the minute. 44% of the population say that the UK government is wrong to leave the EU, while 44% say they are correct. Surely this is clear enough, there is no coming together. If you look at the detailed figures, you find that apart from immigration, something that May could have done something about as Home Secretary, but didn't, there is no great appetite to leave.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
You are looking at the wrong figures. You become more desperate by the minute. 44% of the population say that the UK government is wrong to leave the EU, while 44% say they are correct. Surely this is clear enough, there is no coming together. If you look at the detailed figures, you find that apart from immigration, something that May could have done something about as Home Secretary, but didn't, there is no great appetite to leave.
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Do you have recent YouGov figures that challenge their recent figures that clearly say that 69% of those polled now back Brexit, with only 21% wanting to wriggle out of it. The PM was fully justified in saying the country is coming together.

I wait with anticipation.
 
colognehornet said:
I would agree that many people would have voted a different way if it were possible to turn the clock back to the referendum. However, we can't do that, and going back on the Brexit decision would now be a case of going to the EU. and saying 'we made a mistake, please throw article 50 away', which, for many people, would involve a loss of face. There are many people who think we made a mistake, but, having driven off the cliff, can do nothing else but try to steer our vehicle into safety at the bottom. This is why the Tories are so far ahead in the opinion polls - because nobody can imagine a Labour negotiating team now taking over the Brexit negotiations. As a result, the Tories now have almost the entire Brexit camp on their side, whereas the remain, or 'soft Brexit' camp is split over several parties.
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The problem is nobody, including most Labour voters, cannot imagine the present shadow cabinet negotiating anything successfully. Even if Corbyn is dumped after the election the National Executive may well chose another left winger who fails to gain the support of the traditional Labour voter. Will we have another five years without an effective opposition?
 
superhorns said:
Do you have recent YouGov figures that challenge their recent figures that clearly say that 69% of those polled now back Brexit, with only 21% wanting to wriggle out of it. The PM was fully justified in saying the country is coming together.

I wait with anticipation.
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I gave you the figures from the poll today, not something that was a month ago, before Article 50 had been triggered or an election called. It is simple. Today as many do not want to leave as do. That is clear, so therefore the country is just as divided as it was at the referendum, if not even more so.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
I gave you the figures from the poll today, not something that was a month ago, before Article 50 had been triggered or an election called. It is simple. Today as many do not want to leave as do. That is clear, so therefore the country is just as divided as it was at the referendum, if not even more so.
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Nobody is challenging the referendum figures have changed. There has clearly been no Brexit remorse.

What The PM was referring to was the pragmatic attitude of most of the 'remainers'. They have joined the 'leave' contingent to form a large group, 69%, who want the government to negotiate Brexit a.s.a.p. There is a very small percentage 21% who disagree with this action. The PM was fully justified to claim the country was coming together.

There does seem to be additional support from all around the UK for the government's position.
 
superhorns said:
The problem is nobody, including most Labour voters, cannot imagine the present shadow cabinet negotiating anything successfully. Even if Corbyn is dumped after the election the National Executive may well chose another left winger who fails to gain the support of the traditional Labour voter. Will we have another five years without an effective opposition?
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The reason why Labour is suffering in the opinion polls is because of unclarity as to their position on Brexit - how can they take it over under the present circumstances ? The reason why they lost the last election was also because the Tories were the only party offering a referendum, and because of the xenophobia which was whipped up over Scotland, which raised the spectre, in many people's eyes, of a Labour/SNP coalition. Neither of these themes have anything to do with Corbyn's left wing ideas, most of which come over well with the electorate.
 
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