General Election

[Amin Arrears]

Okay....immigrants don't just come from poor countries, anybody who relocates here from any country is an immigrant. All the students studying medicine at our universities, all the potential lawyers, teachers, scientists are wasting our money because....what they aren't British? Or do they not count either? What about American immigrants?

So let me get this straight, when the working class man gets annoyed at immigrants, they aren't getting annoyed at all immigrants. So in fact, immigrants would be the wrong word to use. What you mean is, people who move here for a better quality of life and to scrounge our benefits? Well yeah, obviously we don't like those people. But then, I don't much care for British people who do it either.

Furthermore, I have nothing against the Romanian/Kosovan people at the car-washes, shows how business savvy they are. How many British run hand car wash businesses were there in Hull before they started? If a working class person can't get a job in a factory because some bloke from Poland took his job, then they don't deserve the job. For ****s sake, you need NO qualifications to do that kind of work, so if you can't get a job that requires no qualifications and your response is "bloody immigrants took all our jobs", then you're wrong. They just took all the **** jobs that required no qualifications or aspirations to undertake. I'm not going to sweat it if Don from the Estates can't get a low paying job because he got beaten in the interview by Zlatan from Moldova. Tough ****, work on your interview technique, get some qualifications behind you and make yourself a more attractive prospect for employers.

What's that? It's cheaper to pay foreigners to do the work of an Englishman? Let me just check the rules employment law.....

It's just ****ing excuses for lazy people who can't get even the ****est of jobs.

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[Steven Toast]

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First thing I always think of!

 

[HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)]

You can't state that as a fact.

There's simply not enough known about how shale gas /oil extraction would affect the British sub terrain, to make any sort of informed comment.

However, what we do know is how it's affected other areas of the globe and the environments that surround the activity, both during and post extraction. The idea that it can be done without significant negative impact on an island as small as ours is abolsutely mad.

My job requires me to attend most of the major geoscience and petroleum industry conferences both in the UK and internationally, in which fracking has become an increasingly covered topic.

The underlying theme from the majority of talks on the subject (both pro and anti) is that we need more research into the entire process.

At one stage we couldn't drill for oil in frontier regions, the knowledge and technology didn't exist, now we can do it easily and relatively safely all due to investment in science and technology.

We need to now identify that fracking is a viable and valuable option for the country and begin to invest in research on all fronts, science, engineering and economics to ensure when we get the green light to frack we can do it as safely and efficiently as possible.

The size of the UK is completely irrelevant and 'significant' is completely subjective, but currently those that oppose fracking actually know very little about it apart from a few well publicised negative impacts.

 

[RicardoHCAFC]

It's just ****ing excuses for lazy people who can't get even the ****est of jobs.

I agree, I didn't need an extra 5% of Scottish people to vote Yes in order for me to get my ****ty paid job*, I got it as a native because I'm prepared to work hard.

*Partly for effect, partly I actually earn a lot less than people expect when I'm talking to them about how much I clear from the mortgage/add to savings each year.

 

[Barchullona]

Okay....immigrants don't just come from poor countries, anybody who relocates here from any country is an immigrant. All the students studying medicine at our universities, all the potential lawyers, teachers, scientists are wasting our money because....what they aren't British? Or do they not count either? What about American immigrants?

So let me get this straight, when the working class man gets annoyed at immigrants, they aren't getting annoyed at all immigrants. So in fact, immigrants would be the wrong word to use. What you mean is, people who move here for a better quality of life and to scrounge our benefits? Well yeah, obviously we don't like those people. But then, I don't much care for British people who do it either.

Furthermore, I have nothing against the Romanian/Kosovan people at the car-washes, shows how business savvy they are. How many British run hand car wash businesses were there in Hull before they started? If a working class person can't get a job in a factory because some bloke from Poland took his job, then they don't deserve the job. For ****s sake, you need NO qualifications to do that kind of work, so if you can't get a job that requires no qualifications and your response is "bloody immigrants took all our jobs", then you're wrong. They just took all the **** jobs that required no qualifications or aspirations to undertake. I'm not going to sweat it if Don from the Estates can't get a low paying job because he got beaten in the interview by Zlatan from Moldova. Tough ****, work on your interview technique, get some qualifications behind you and make yourself a more attractive prospect for employers.

What's that? It's cheaper to pay foreigners to do the work of an Englishman? Let me just check the rules employment law.....

It's just ****ing excuses for lazy people who can't get even the ****est of jobs.

I think you misunderstand me a bit there. My local car wash has seen Romanians, Hungsrians, Poles and others working there. The Romanians tended to be a bit surly and didn't do as good a job (something commented on by a few) but the others were excellent. I was complimenting one Hungarian girl on her Englishnand got chatting to her. Turns out she was a physiotherapist but couldn't get a job in Hungary after leaving university and "I didn't want to be sat about in Hungary when I can come here and make some money and hopefully get a job using my qualifications eventually". Turns out most of the ones with her had qualifications as well. The fact they had all learnt a foreign language puts them one up on the great majority of our kids who think they an leave school.with O levels in things like Media Studies and then have their pick of interesting, well paid jobs.
Have been treated by a Polish physiotherapist who made me wish I was 40 years younger, though some lucky lad from Scarborough was engaged to her. (She told me a story of how her grandparents had come to see her and said to her "What a country. And yet people are always moaning. They should have tried living like we did under the communists" and then told her of the shortages and crop conditions they lived under. Something she was too young to remember). The staff at the local Boots pharmacy section had to up their game when a Polish husband and wife in their twenties were working there. It soon became noticeable how people were hanging back to deal with the as they were so much more pleasant. I have often remarked on the difference in attitudes compared to so many of our surly kids, expecting things on a platter with little effort on their part. How many of ours can speak a foreign language enabling them to work abroad?
However, having said that there are some from countries who make no effort to integrate and who bring strange religions and customs here who are making no contribution whatsoever.

 

[Barchullona]

My job requires me to attend most of the major geoscience and petroleum industry conferences both in the UK and internationally, in which fracking has become an increasingly covered topic.

The underlying theme from the majority of talks on the subject (both pro and anti) is that we need more research into the entire process.

At one stage we couldn't drill for oil in frontier regions, the knowledge and technology didn't exist, now we can do it easily and relatively safely all due to investment in science and technology.

We need to now identify that fracking is a viable and valuable option for the country and begin to invest in research on all fronts, science, engineering and economics to ensure when we get the green light to frack we can do it as safely and efficiently as possible.

The size of the UK is completely irrelevant and 'significant' is completely subjective, but currently those that oppose fracking actually know very little about it apart from a few well publicised negative impacts.

There were reports there is a fault line under London. How tragic if fracking were to see it cause an abyss to open up and swallow it.

 

[HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)]

There were reports there is a fault line under London. How tragic if fracking were to see it cause an abyss to open up and swallow it.

We could do with more research into how we can acheive that!

 

[Steven Toast]

I think you misunderstand me a bit there. My local car wash has seen Romanians, Hungsrians, Poles and others working there. The Romanians tended to be a bit surly and didn't do as good a job (something commented on by a few) but the others were excellent. I was complimenting one Hungarian girl on her Englishnand got chatting to her. Turns out she was a physiotherapist but couldn't get a job in Hungary after leaving university and "I didn't want to be sat about in Hungary when I can come here and make some money and hopefully get a job using my qualifications eventually". Turns out most of the ones with her had qualifications as well. The fact they had all learnt a foreign language puts them one up on the great majority of our kids who think they an leave school.with O levels in things like Media Studies and then have their pick of interesting, well paid jobs.
Have been treated by a Polish physiotherapist who made me wish I was 40 years younger, though some lucky lad from Scarborough was engaged to her. (She told me a story of how her grandparents had come to see her and said to her "What a country. And yet people are always moaning. They should have tried living like we did under the communists" and then told her of the shortages and crop conditions they lived under. Something she was too young to remember). The staff at the local Boots pharmacy section had to up their game when a Polish husband and wife in their twenties were working there. It soon became noticeable how people were hanging back to deal with the as they were so much more pleasant. I have often remarked on the difference in attitudes compared to so many of our surly kids, expecting things on a platter with little effort on their part. How many of ours can speak a foreign language enabling them to work abroad?
However, having said that there are some from countries who make no effort to integrate and who bring strange religions and customs here who are making no contribution whatsoever.

Sorry dude, I misinterpreted your post.

Yeah, a lot of foreign people do bring a lot to our society, it's a shame they are lambasted so much.

I think your point about religion is a bit different though, I think things like Islam are alright, provided they work within the confines of the laws of the United Kingdom. If they didn't then they should be arrested. I don't want to get into religious politics (the forum would go into meltdown) so I'll leave it there.

 

[Barchullona]

W

Well said.
What some on here don't realise is that it's already stretched to breaking point and another 60% will decimate it.
But hay oh as long as pricks like Lewis Hamilton , Philip Green and the likes can live tax free life's while someone on £20,000 per year as to pay their dues let's have this lot back in shall we

I wonder what Bono's and Stings contributions are? They lecture enough on what governments should do with their money. Or those Sirs, Jagger and the great Scottish patriot Connery who haven't paid any tax here since the 1960s. I have never noticed Labour doing anything about them whilst they were in power at various times.

 

[Charon]

Well if we're making lists - Labour: The Blair/Brown years

Massive national debt

Huge public sector pension deficit

Gold sold at record lows

Unemployment rising

Years of uncontrolled immigration leading to an overloading of schools, hospitals, public services in general

Over 100 different tax rises - the longest national tax code in the world

Number of pensioners living in poverty up by 100,000

The lowest level of social mobility in the developed world

Hospital infection rates through the roof

Falling dramatically in the rankings concerning education in maths and literacy, and world competitiveness

Small business' taxes going up and up

Boom and bust abolished (ARF!)

Post offices closed even if profitable

Dodgy dossiers and the Iraq war

How much information and personal details went ‘missing’

Mandleson and Campbell

Introduction of student fees

Gave away the EU rebate

Decline in manufacturing

Slowest growth for 50 years

Longest recession since the war

etc. etc. etc. etc.

Good post - unfortunately those that vote Labour, SNP, Plaid want more of the same - they want the services but they don't want to pay for them

 

[Tobes]

My job requires me to attend most of the major geoscience and petroleum industry conferences both in the UK and internationally, in which fracking has become an increasingly covered topic.

The underlying theme from the majority of talks on the subject (both pro and anti) is that we need more research into the entire process.

At one stage we couldn't drill for oil in frontier regions, the knowledge and technology didn't exist, now we can do it easily and relatively safely all due to investment in science and technology.

We need to now identify that fracking is a viable and valuable option for the country and begin to invest in research on all fronts, science, engineering and economics to ensure when we get the green light to frack we can do it as safely and efficiently as possible.

The size of the UK is completely irrelevant and 'significant' is completely subjective, but currently those that oppose fracking actually know very little about it apart from a few well publicised negative impacts.

Would you object if there was a well site within half a mile of your house then mate?

The very well publicised negative impacts of sites across the globe are factual, I'm still waiting to read about the sites that provided no negative impacts whasoever and everyone in the locale was non plussed about their presence.

 

[Barchullona]

Sorry dude, I misinterpreted your post.

Yeah, a lot of foreign people do bring a lot to our society, it's a shame they are lambasted so much.

I think your point about religion is a bit different though, I think things like Islam are alright, provided they work within the confines of the laws of the United Kingdom. If they didn't then they should be arrested. I don't want to get into religious politics (the forum would go into meltdown) so I'll leave it there.

Without stirring up the religious hornet's nest, the problem is the vast majority of Muslims is they are Muslims first, second and last and always consider things from an Islamic viewpoint before the country they are living in.
This doesn't tend to be the case with other religions. Muslims demand concessions but don't budge an inch in return. We are supposed to respect and tolerate their viewpoints but not expect the same in return in countries where Islam holds sway.

 

[originallambrettaman]

I wonder what Bono's and Stings contributions are? They lecture enough on what governments should do with their money. Or those Sirs, Jagger and the great Scottish patriot Connery who haven't paid any tax here since the 1960s. I have never noticed Labour doing anything about them whilst they were in power at various times.

Bono and Hamilton don't live in the UK, so I'm not sure why anyone would expect them to pay anything.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Without stirring up the religious hornet's nest, the problem is the vast majority of Muslims is they are Muslims first, second and last and always consider things from an Islamic viewpoint before the country they are living in.
This doesn't tend to be the case with other religions. Muslims demand concessions but don't budge an inch in return. We are supposed to respect and tolerate their viewpoints but not expect the same in return in countries where Islam holds sway.

We're allowing politics just because it's the general election, the rules on religion haven't changed.

 

[hcafc-anon]

My prediction:
1) May 8th. Tories form a coalition with UKIP
2) May 15th. Deputy PM Farage announces all tax abolished on ***s and booze
3) May 18th. Immigration banned and forced repatriation begins
4) May 22nd. All benefits reduced by 75% immediately
5) May 28th. Demonstrations start across the country.
6) May 30th. Scots announce Unilateral Declaration of Independence
7) June 2nd. Rioting widespread all over UK
8) June 6th. Scots President Salmond orders England to accept direct rule from Edinburgh
7) June 8th. Rioters storm Parliament and occupy both houses
8) June 12th. Downing Street falls to the rioters
9) June 15th. Visit from UN Secretary General trying to resolve crisis
10) June 18th. Talks break down
11) June 22nd. UN Security Council hold emergency meeting
12) June 25th. UN peacekeeping troops led by Russia occupy the UK
13) June 28th Russia withdraws from the peacekeeping mission
14) July 4th. USA celebrates Independence Day by occupying the UK
15) July 10th. USA annexes UK as 51st State
16) I wake up and realise it was all a nightmare

 

[Edelman]

I wonder what Bono's and Stings contributions are? They lecture enough on what governments should do with their money. Or those Sirs, Jagger and the great Scottish patriot Connery who haven't paid any tax here since the 1960s. I have never noticed Labour doing anything about them whilst they were in power at various times.

Yes indeed.
A succession of dodging the issue by various parties

 

[HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)]

Would you object if there was a well site within half a mile of your house then mate?

The very well publicised negative impacts of sites across the globe are factual, I'm still waiting to read about the sites that provided no negative impacts whasoever and everyone in the locale was non plussed about their presence.

I'd be more worried why they decided to start fracking in Leeds city centre to be honest, but I get your point.

There will never be that study because there are always going to be negative impacts, do they heavily publicise the negative environmental impacts of wind farms? Of course they don't but trust me there are plenty.

Everything has negative impacts, building a railway, extending an airport, mass farming, urbanisation, but we are comfortable with these or choose to ignore them, the problem with fracking is that it's new and sounds scary plus it's not helped by the environmental propaganda.

Its worth billions to the economy, it would create jobs in practically every sector and would reduce our reliance on imported fuel, we can't ignore it because it will happen, thats why we need the investment in research to minimise the impacts when it does happen.

 

[Barmbys_Tan]

Back in Hull and voting but in the boundaries of Hull it's pretty much guaranteed Labour will win the seat but nonetheless I'll still be voting even though it will be fairly pointless

 

[NorthFerribyTiger]

With fracking the problem for me isn't the risk of earthquakes, even if the actual extraction method itself involves fracturing the rock which by logic creates tiny earthquakes.

My issue is the chemicals pumped in under high pressure & the risk of contamination of the water table.

There are well documented cases of drinking water being contaminated with methane gas by fracking in the USA & of flammable water as a result

I'm also shocked by the fact that we are talking about a fossil fuel here when we have over 200-300 years supply of another fossil fuel under our feet which could easily meet the majority of or energy needs for that period & which has much less impact at the point of extraction than shale gas....and that is coal.....yet we keep importing millions of tons of low grade coal from abroad to feed power stations....simply because the government worry about being held to ransom by the miners in the future.

 

[look_back_in_amber]

Clearly you don't know exactly what social workers do, not talking about management here.

Over the last 5 years the average case numbers for each social worker has increased by more that 150%

Social workers do a very good & important job & are not only involved in child protection, there are vulnerable adults as well as senior citizens. Much of the paperwork is a result of government interference like the NHS....where nurses are no longer nurses, they spend half their time completing paperwork which in the past would have been done by admin staff on the wards who have now been removed .... social work departments also used to have admin staff, but budget cuts mean they have gone, reducing the time the staff have to do their real jobs & that's before the increased caseloads

You sound like a social worker. During my career involved in childcare I have met many social workers, a very small minority, and I mean really small, were very good at their jobs, the ones that were good were absolutely excellent, the vast majority however were clearly solely interested in ticking boxes, covering their usually rather large backsides, with the child actually coming way down the list.