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What is everyone's opinion on changing Human Rights? And their civil liberties being 'attacked'?

I have seen a lot of rubbish about this on my Social Media feeds about us needing to defend our civil liberties and this idea of changing Human Rights laws to stop terrorist is a terrible idea. I would happily be watched on every street in the UK if it stopped one more child from dieing due to a terrorist attack. It really doesn't bother me if I am watched all day long as I am doing nothing wrong.

Going by social media they seem to think the complete opposite to me, and I wondered if I am crazy...
 
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Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
And me. I'd pay 50% tax, but I don't care cos I'm all in favour of higher taxation for those that can afford it. Some of the Scandinavian countries are the highest taxed in the world and they have some of the best public services in the world and therefore quality of life.

It's almost as if the two things are somehow linked.
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If the country as a whole wants better services don't you think the country as a whole should pay a bit extra for it?

And that's not just a matter of fairness and equality, it's also realism, as anyone who has the ability to think for themselves will onoerhat labours manifesto is impossible to carry out without raising the lower rate of income tax and possibly VAT.

I wonder how many people would be demanding money be poured into the public sector if they had to help pay for it themselves?
 
City1904 said:
What is everyone's opinion on changing Human Rights? And their civil liberties being 'attacked'?

I have seen a lot of rubbish about this on my Social Media feeds about us needing to defend our civil liberties and this idea of changing Human Rights laws to stop terrorist is a terrible idea. I would happily be watched on every street in the UK if it stopped one more child from dieing due to a terrorist attack. It really doesn't bother me if I am watched all day long as I am doing nothing wrong.

Going by social media they seem to think the complete opposite to me, and I wondered if I am crazy...
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I think shes said it to gain votes and it's backfired as quite a lot of people on social media have kicked off about it - even some of those who are supporting her.
 
The greengrocer said:
No but you said that the increase in wages would have the same affect on them! They're profits are through the roof because of the practices I mentioned! So it is relevant! And everyone shops in them! even labour supporters!
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It will have the same effect, as they're PLC's and the City will still be expecting profit increases despite the increase in their labour costs.

I think a lot of people these days prefer to shop local btw, the supermarkets will always have a massive place in the market, but I think the local trader like yourself for fruit and veg, butchers, bakers etc will continue to fight back, as people become ever more conscious of what they actually consume. Ironically I think that an increase in overall living standards due to a hike in the minimum wage would help that shift even further.
 
City1904 said:
What is everyone's opinion on changing Human Rights? And their civil liberties being 'attacked'?

I have seen a lot of rubbish about this on my Social Media feeds about us needing to defend our civil liberties and this idea of changing Human Rights laws to stop terrorist is a terrible idea. I would happily be watched on every street in the UK if it stopped one more child from dieing due to a terrorist attack. It really doesn't bother me if I am watched all day long as I am doing nothing wrong.

Going by social media they seem to think the complete opposite to me, and I wondered if I am crazy...
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They didn't need to have further snooping rights in order to have known the identities and threat caused by the latest jihadists, as they were already known, and yet they didn't act. I think it's a diversionary tactic by May to point to human rights laws, when it was during her stint as Home office minister that the intel was for some reason ignored
 
6.3Mr.CityManHatrecurring said:
If the country as a whole wants better services don't you think the country as a whole should pay a bit extra for it?

And that's not just a matter of fairness and equality, it's also realism, as anyone who has the ability to think for themselves will onoerhat labours manifesto is impossible to carry out without raising the lower rate of income tax and possibly VAT.

I wonder how many people would be demanding money be poured into the public sector if they had to help pay for it themselves?
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No I think the most wealthy should.
 
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Tobes said:
You do realise that since 2010 the Tories have increased our national debt by more than the previous Labour Govt did in 13 years don't you? Which included bailing out the banks in 2008....

The idea that the Tories are frugal whilst Labour were spendthrifts is a complete fallacy, that completely ignores the actual facts

Austerity has failed, our debt has massively increased, we've got working people relying on foodbanks, our NHS is crumbling, we've lost 20k police, the gap between the haves and have nots is ever increasing and Cameron gambled our country's future like a pissed up poker player in trying to split the UKIP vote in 2015, and delivered the slow motion car crash that is Brexit.
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If you plot the deficit on a graph with inflation taken into account, it shows a very steep incline under labour turns almost 45 degrees instantly under tories, and begins to plateau rather quickly. Don't forget labour spent everything including true gold reserves.

Also the police thing is another one of those piss take points scoring areas and it's been labours main campaign point recently. Yes the tories cut 20000 and everyone is moaning that police levels were cut at all but what are labour planning to do? Put 10000 back. Conveniently keeping half the cut, but nobody mentions that.
 
Tobes said:
It will have the same effect, as they're PLC's and the City will still be expecting profit increases despite the increase in their labour costs.

I think a lot of people these days prefer to shop local btw, the supermarkets will always have a massive place in the market, but I think the local trader like yourself for fruit and veg, butchers, bakers etc will continue to fight back, as people become ever more conscious of what they actually consume. Ironically I think that an increase in overall living standards due to a hike in the minimum wage would help that shift even further.
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I hope so? I'm not pleading poverty! But a wage rise has to absorbed somewhere and as you've seen s/markets love to slash prices and it's usually fresh produce! For the reasons I explained! They can control the price of something that has been grown & the farmer has no choice but to accept their ( usually ) stupidly low price? Believe it or not the aldis and Lidls are more respectful of the farmer and pay well and on time (slightly off topic)
 
One of the London Bridge murderers was apparently on a watch list, but he still got into this country. That is a MASSIVE failure. but of course the do-gooders will say he couldn't have been deported back to Morocco anyway because it would have been against his human rights. What a load of BOLLOX. We have to start deporting those who shouldn't be in the country and a recognised threat instead of looking the other way, because some of these people are here to kill us...Rant over...
 
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6.3Mr.CityManHatrecurring said:
If you plot the deficit on a graph with inflation taken into account, it shows a very steep incline under labour turns almost 45 degrees instantly under tories, and begins to plateau rather quickly. Don't forget labour spent everything including true gold reserves.

Also the police thing is another one of those piss take points scoring areas and it's been labours main campaign point recently. Yes the tories cut 20000 and everyone is moaning that police levels were cut at all but what are labour planning to do? Put 10000 back. Conveniently keeping half the cut, but nobody mentions that.
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The annual borrowing under the last labour regime stood at just under £40bn before the crash in 08, it's now circa £60bn

Is it not an improvement to reduce the Tory cuts in Police numbers by half during the next parliament?
 
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Duffens_Briefs said:
One of the London Bridge murderers was apparently on a watch list, but he still got into this country. That is a MASSIVE failure. but of course the do-gooders will say he couldn't have been deported back to Morocco anyway because it would have been against his human rights. What a load of BOLLOX. We have to start deporting those who shouldn't be in the country and a recognised threat instead of looking the other way, because some of these people are here to kill us...Rant over...
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We're the 'do gooders' working for Border Force when he was let back in after the Italians had warned us of his potential threat?
 
Duffens_Briefs said:
One of the London Bridge murderers was apparently on a watch list, but he still got into this country. That is a MASSIVE failure. but of course the do-gooders will say he couldn't have been deported back to Morocco anyway because it would have been against his human rights. What a load of BOLLOX. We have to start deporting those who shouldn't be in the country and a recognised threat instead of looking the other way, because some of these people are here to kill us...Rant over...
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You're right the response is that he couldn't be deported to Morocco... because he was Italian. The Italian authorities alerted about him as part of Schengen.
 
City1904 said:
What is everyone's opinion on changing Human Rights? And their civil liberties being 'attacked'?

Going by social media they seem to think the complete opposite to me, and I wondered if I am crazy...
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Good post......God forbid. It might need the son, daughter, brother etc of a prominent VIP to be murdered by a terrorist before common-sense kicks in, until then the Lib Dems and some Labour will fight any watering down of Human Rights, because it is what they do..Sad, but true...
 
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