Match Day Thread Fulham v Toon

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Roy! said:
Anyone that is unaware that there's issues at the club is an ostrich at this point. The league table after 4 games was merely the excuse people needed to deny it.

That league position will soon evaporate before their eyes over the next couple of months and that's as sure as my arse is pointing south I'm afraid.
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Your arse is pouting. Crikey. Things are bad.

But I want to hear some reasoning from some of the others as to what they think is wrong as opposed to jumping on us for our opinions.
 
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Judge GG said:
Your arse is pouting. Crikey. Things are bad.

But I want to hear some reasoning from some of the others as to what they think is wrong as opposed to jumping on us for our opinions.
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To put a positive spin on what I'm saying this is all just an inevitable down on a road to bigger and better things.
 
Judge GG said:
I won’t repeat it. Instead I will ask you your opinion of the season so far.

Would rather be constructive.

Let us be reasonable.
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So you're suggesting people express their opinions rather than sound off at you for yours?

Dream on mate <laugh>

Let's just give them a soothing period....I have had enough myself tbh.
 
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Judge GG said:
I won’t repeat it. Instead I will ask you your opinion of the season so far.

Would rather be constructive.

Let us be reasonable.
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Okay.

I think results wise we have had a good start. We have 10 points after 5 games and are currently 6th in the table. We have 3 wins, 1 draw and 1 defeat. Better start to the season points wise than the last 2 seasons. We are constantly told it’s a results business.

Performance wise we haven’t clicked or, if we have, only for short periods. Performances have been below average. Some players not yet playing to their full capabilities. Some may have reasons such as Gordon who hasn’t had a real break from football for now over 2 years. Others perhaps have less reason such as Isak. Another factor mentioned yesterday was the impact of Bunce on how we train and play. For me, I guess that has had an adverse impact on us. Are we now trying to find a new way to do the same? Yes. Does changing style and method take time to find the new one? Usually, yes.

Are there frictions behind the scene? I would guess, yes. Firstly, it’s a big organization. Second, new people have come in and want to make their mark/impress. Did Mitchell’s interview help? No. Any issues should be and should have been sorted in house. Is it something to be concerned about? No, give people time to sort out their respective boundaries. Are the media trying to make a mountain out of a molehill? Yes.

Are we going to win every game? No. Are we going to be off form from time to time? Yes. Is it far too early in the season to be making radical changes given especially our number of points and League position? Yes.

Summary. No need to panic. No need for knee jerk reactions. Keep things under review.
 
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Delusional Full Stop said:
Okay.

I think results wise we have had a good start. We have 10 points after 5 games and are currently 6th in the table. We have 3 wins, 1 draw and 1 defeat. Better start to the season points wise than the last 2 seasons. We are constantly told it’s a results business.

Performance wise we haven’t clicked or, if we have, only for short periods. Performances have been below average. Some players not yet playing to their full capabilities. Some may have reasons such as Gordon who hasn’t had a real break from football for now over 2 years. Others perhaps have less reason such as Isak. Another factor mentioned yesterday was the impact of Bunce on how we train and play. For me, I guess that has had an adverse impact on us. Are we now trying to find a new way to do the same? Yes. Does changing style and method take time to find the new one? Usually, yes.

Are there frictions behind the scene? I would guess, yes. Firstly, it’s a big organization. Second, new people have come in and want to make their mark/impress. Did Mitchell’s interview help? No. Any issues should be and should have been sorted in house. Is it something to be concerned about? No, give people time to sort out there respective boundaries. Are the media trying to make a mountain out of a molehill? Yes.

Are we going to win every game? No. Are we going to be off form from time to time? Yes. Is it far too early in the season to be making radical changes given especially our number of points and League position? Yes.

Summary. No need to panic. No need for knee jerk reactions. Keep things under review.
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Fair enough....it's all that is ever required.
 
Delusional Full Stop said:
Okay.

I think results wise we have had a good start. We have 10 points after 5 games and are currently 6th in the table. We have 3 wins, 1 draw and 1 defeat. Better start to the season points wise than the last 2 seasons. We are constantly told it’s a results business.

Performance wise we haven’t clicked or, if we have, only for short periods. Performances have been below average. Some players not yet playing to their full capabilities. Some may have reasons such as Gordon who hasn’t had a real break from football for now over 2 years. Others perhaps have less reason such as Isak. Another factor mentioned yesterday was the impact of Bunce on how we train and play. For me, I guess that has had an adverse impact on us. Are we now trying to find a new way to do the same? Yes. Does changing style and method take time to find the new one? Usually, yes.

Are there frictions behind the scene? I would guess, yes. Firstly, it’s a big organization. Second, new people have come in and want to make their mark/impress. Did Mitchell’s interview help? No. Any issues should be and should have been sorted in house. Is it something to be concerned about? No, give people time to sort out there respective boundaries. Are the media trying to make a mountain out of a molehill? Yes.

Are we going to win every game? No. Are we going to be off form from time to time? Yes. Is it far too early in the season to be making radical changes given especially our number of points and League position? Yes.

Summary. No need to panic. No need for knee jerk reactions. Keep things under review.
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Seems reasonable so I like this. I agree with almost all of it.

I think the internal stuff is quite serious. That’s just my personal opinion. The fact we had to sell Anderson and Minteh and tried to flog Gordon last minute was worrying.

Then the sudden departure of Staveley under strange circumstances and the lack of communication since is for me telling.

The lack of transfer activity aswell makes me think we are either not being supported financially from PIF or we simply can’t spend because of FFP.

Then add the performances of the team. Change of direction with tactics and basic principles under Howe of old where intensity was our thing. This is the biggest concern. Has this Bunce chap seriously got into Howes plan and changed things for the worse?

But thankyou for your perfectly balanced opinion.
 
Judge GG said:
Seems reasonable so I like this. I agree with almost all of it.

I think the internal stuff is quite serious. That’s just my personal opinion. The fact we had to sell Anderson and Minteh and tried to flog Gordon last minute was worrying.

Then the sudden departure of Staveley under strange circumstances and the lack of communication since is for me telling.

The lack of transfer activity aswell makes me think we are either not being supported financially from PIF or we simply can’t spend because of FFP.

Then add the performances of the team. Change of direction with tactics and basic principles under Howe of old where intensity was our thing. This is the biggest concern. Has this Bunce chap seriously got into Howes plan and changed things for the worse?

But thankyou for your perfectly balanced opinion.
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He's basically agreed with us just less literally.
 
Delusional Full Stop said:
Okay.

I think results wise we have had a good start. We have 10 points after 5 games and are currently 6th in the table. We have 3 wins, 1 draw and 1 defeat. Better start to the season points wise than the last 2 seasons. We are constantly told it’s a results business.

Performance wise we haven’t clicked or, if we have, only for short periods. Performances have been below average. Some players not yet playing to their full capabilities. Some may have reasons such as Gordon who hasn’t had a real break from football for now over 2 years. Others perhaps have less reason such as Isak. Another factor mentioned yesterday was the impact of Bunce on how we train and play. For me, I guess that has had an adverse impact on us. Are we now trying to find a new way to do the same? Yes. Does changing style and method take time to find the new one? Usually, yes.

Are there frictions behind the scene? I would guess, yes. Firstly, it’s a big organization. Second, new people have come in and want to make their mark/impress. Did Mitchell’s interview help? No. Any issues should be and should have been sorted in house. Is it something to be concerned about? No, give people time to sort out their respective boundaries. Are the media trying to make a mountain out of a molehill? Yes.

Are we going to win every game? No. Are we going to be off form from time to time? Yes. Is it far too early in the season to be making radical changes given especially our number of points and League position? Yes.

Summary. No need to panic. No need for knee jerk reactions. Keep things under review.
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Agree with this
 
magpie290761 said:
Just stating facts but yes we have been well below expectations for form so far this season. That doesn’t mean it’s time to panic though although we do need to get on top of it quickly.
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Fair comment... I think everyone is in agreement, but some of us go in hard and others like to hope a bit more.

Who cares who's right or wrong let's all drop that stuff for the good of the board. I'm a huge part on all that, but my proposal will have to come from both sides.

Genuinely I'm tired of it all myself.
 
The issue with EH is that he hasn't progressed in to the role he was given as Head Coach. At the start he was more manager but as the club have gone forwards he hasn't, in his head, gone in to the role he was offered
 
Delusional Full Stop said:
Err, no. Not literally agreed at all. Some parts we will agree on. Others parts, definitely not. I don't, for example, agree with GG saying Howe should go.
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OK well the Howe going part is premature... I think he'll go though before next season unless there's a dramatic improvement.

Everything else you're saying is the same as us really with a few ifs and buts and hopes added in.

Ultimately we all agree there's issues and I'm just pleased we can all see them and I'm sure we all hope things will improve.

I personally don't 'think' it's going to get better and a change is inevitable though, so I'm hoping I can have that view.
 
Darren Peacock’s Ponytail said:
The issue with EH is that he hasn't progressed in to the role he was given as Head Coach. At the start he was more manager but as the club have gone forwards he hasn't, in his head, gone in to the role he was offered
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I always felt he wasn't a fan of Ashworth involvement and it appears the issue is the same with Mitchell.

Howe is now the issue if my suspicion is correct.... whether he's right or not is another matter of course.
 
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Everything is setting itself up nicely to replace Howe and hand over the next wedge of a cash to a more qualified manager before January
 
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