Daily Racing Thread Friday 15th. December 2023

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3.42 Bangor, a question for Stick. What’s your thoughts on Mivvi? Looks to be an extremely rare runner on NH flat for Stella Barclay.
 
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3.42 Bangor, a question for Stick. What’s your thoughts on Mivvi? Looks to be an extremely rare runner on NH flat for Stella Barclay.
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Everything about the pedigree screams non-stayer, after the first mile it will be on fumes. Probably too backward or too slow to have appeared on the flat. It is a rare bumper runner for the yard but she nought from eight so even that is not a positive.
 
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Has the forum's favourite yard got a Supreme Novices Hurdle contender in Dysart Enos? We'll find out in a few minutes time. I really hope they have <ok>
 
Very, very nice from Dysart Enos. Only one slight moment of worry when you wondered whether she would find anything off the bridle but she quickened up in good style.
 
The 13:30 at Bangor-On-Dee, a Class-3 Handicap Chase over 3m on heavy ground, gives the Mores Wells gelding, Tiger Orchid, a sound chance. Current conditions will suit. Wears cheek-pieces. Charlie Hammond rides for the Droitwich yard of Dr Richard Newland & Jamie Insole.

8/1 in many places, best price at time of writing. E/W best option.
 
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stick said:
Everything about the pedigree screams non-stayer, after the first mile it will be on fumes. Probably too backward or too slow to have appeared on the flat. It is a rare bumper runner for the yard but she nought from eight so even that is not a positive.
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I know nothing about bumpers stick but, in general, how fast do they go compared to a flat race on the same ground. I only ask because when considering a Derby horse, for example, we often conclude a horse won't stay the 12f and are correct virtually every time. But what we really mean is that it won't last out the 12f at the speed they will go; it will obviously stay the 12f but in its own time, so to speak. If you have a 10f horse in a 12f race, the only chance it has is to have a slowly run race and tap the others for speed at the end. Hence, and I'm in need of educating here, if a horse with class breeding is allowed to saunter along at a leisurely pace in a 2 mile race, might it not have the advantage when it comes to who can finish the fastest? I'm assuming the horse has a decent lay back of shoulder, otherwise it will be ****ed anyhow after 12f. I stress I'm not trying to give that horse a chance, just wondering to what extent is the relevance of pedigree in bumpers (especially a class pedigree). I recall a long time ago I think one of the GN winners was sired by a sprinter. If it didn't win, it was an out and out stayer well fancied to win. That is going to bug me now and I'll have to try and find the bloody thing <laugh>
 
Mr Snugfit, 2nd to Last Suspect with Corbierre 3rd. Sired by Jukebox (sired by Sing Sing who was sired by Tudor Minstrel). No wonder I remembered as I had the winner at 66/1, and it only just got up on the line
 
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This looks a really good novice chase next up at Cheltenham. I love Grey Dawning as he just goes out wearing his heart on his sleeve so I hope he can improve again to take this.
 
Like the chance of Gyenyame in the finalé at Cheltenham (15:35), over a distance just short of 3m on soft ground. Brendon Powell rides for the Joe Tizzard stable.

5/1 (Ladbrokes/BetVictor) best price at time of writing.
 
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Mr Skelton, would you be so kind as to step into the stewards' room?
 
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