I think I see your problem.how to identify an engineer.
a focus group were asked, "what is pi?"
the arts and humanties graduate said: "the movie with the tiger"
the mathmetician said: "the ratio of the circumference and diameter of a circle"
the physicist said: "3.1415926..." (she's still talking).
the engineer said: "roughly 3, bit call it 4 to be on the safe side"
the civil engineer said: "400, and it will be 2 years late"
the MBA sales person said: "engineering will tell you it's 3 and a bit, but I can get it to you for 2.6. 2.2 if you sign before I leave"
the marketing person said: "we have blue, red or yellow. green if you wait for the next release"
the manager said: "it's Tuesday today. Spounge pudding. Pie is Wednesday and Friday"
