Fighting for 4th Spot?

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Swamp said:
no, you have this idea that a fan cant get behind the team whilst simultaneously wanting a manager out, whenever someone says 'wenger out' you immediately patronise them saying they arent real fans, making out that because you are loyal to wenger you are getting behind the team...
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Simply not true mate.

Where have I said that ? It's got absolutely nothing to do with anyone making out that people can't get behind the team and still want a change of manager, that is utter hogwash. My point was with the OP in that he wasn't up for the Spurs game (which I find odd in itself seeing as they are our biggest rivals) and that the game represents a vital 3 pts in our battle for 4th spot, which will be the difference between champions league football, a significant income, the ambitions of our existing players and the ability to attract top players to our club - In my book that is definitely something to get behind the club and be 'up for'.
 
Swamp said:
of course people are desperate for CL football, its just the idea that as an arsenal fan thats all they've got to look forwards to that - whereas they want to be up for a title challenge...
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Well we're not up for a title challenge are we? So surely we have to be 'up for' what we can realistically achieve this season ?
 
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