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[Milk not bear jizz]

If you're good enough at something it sholdn't matter if you're white, black, yellow or Brown.

for the most part I don't think race comes into it, it's simply because there are no (maybe 1 or 2) coaches that are at the required standard.

I agree. I think race shouldn't matter... I do think it's odd we don't have more black managers though. Not sure racism is driving that or cultural preference though... it's just odd. Statistically as many people play the game- you'd expect Paul Ince not to be the only black manager.

How may white people would you see at a Kung Fu tournament? Is that racism or is it because yellow people are better?

That's not racism. It is culture. Just like English people aren't genetically superior to French people at playing snooker- it's just few French people play snooker. Lots of black people play football- yet few managers. Again - not saying Racism is the reason... it could just be cultural choice. Still a bit of a statistical anomaly though.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

he's not though.... there one more now.


statistically speaking; there have been black players since 1980s. that 35 years call it. a football career is 10-15 years

ergo for the past 20 odd years people could have been managers or coaches..... if we discount even 10 years ( = late 90s, easy 2000s remember) that is still 10 years of opportunity.

if you retired in 2004 or earlier you should be a manager by now.... the fact that there isn't many says something


there have been 75 england internationals of the colour being discussed. The fact that i could google it and find this http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamBlack/Black.html

here are some names;

Ian Wright
John Salako
Earl Barrett
Mark Walters
Brian Deane
Gary Charles
Andy Gray
Tony Daley
Keith Curle
Carlton Palmer
Paul Ince
Les Ferdinand
Andrew Cole
Stan Collymore
Sol Campbell
Ugo Ehiogu
David James
Rio Ferdinand
Dion Dublin

everyone before i excluded via above logic (poor logic)

and everyone after are recently retired or still playing like Wes brown

so the question has to be:

where are they all now? where are the lesser lights who plied their trade up and down the leagues and could be the equivalent of rodgers (as in never made it to top but worked at coaching)

where are all the non english players..........


in short the lack making to manager is a stark indication of a problem.

none of the names above have registers on the radar as wanting to or trying to coach yet hacks like tony adams or even gazza (total joke) or our own fowler seem to think they can walk into jobs (robbie just applied for leeds job, the nutter)

 

[johnsonsbaby]

As of April 2014 BBC Sport - ''Out of a pool of nearly 30,000 licensed FA coaches, 9,250 either refused or simply did not provide information on their ethnicity. Of the rest, 14.2% listed themselves in a category other than 'white English'.

As for the FA's 2014 Uefa A Licence course, approximately 14% of the 107 candidates are from Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) communities. On the Uefa Pro Licence course, three of the 21 candidates are from BAME communities.''

When a top job becomes vacant we see the same managers roundabout style. Would we have gone for Rodgers if he was still in the Championship? How often do new faces, of any colour, break into the top or better jobs?


Good story - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26946476

 

[Hash.]

I guess ruud gullitt and frank rijkaard would be the 2 most succesful black managers in european football. Obviously some smart ass could find a club manager in africa with more titles etc.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank has thrown his name in for the leeds job. Personally I hope he doesnt get it as I want to see god get a job managing in england even if it is with Leeds.

 

[Milk not bear jizz]

I guess ruud gullitt and frank rijkaard would be the 2 most succesful black managers in european football. Obviously some smart ass could find a club manager in africa with more titles etc.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank has thrown his name in for the leeds job. Personally I hope he doesnt get it as I want to see god get a job managing in england even if it is with Leeds.

Leeds hate Man U. Enemy of my enemy is my friend!

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

As of April 2014 BBC Sport - ''Out of a pool of nearly 30,000 licensed FA coaches, 9,250 either refused or simply did not provide information on their ethnicity. Of the rest, 14.2% listed themselves in a category other than 'white English'.

As for the FA's 2014 Uefa A Licence course, approximately 14% of the 107 candidates are from Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) communities. On the Uefa Pro Licence course, three of the 21 candidates are from BAME communities.''

When a top job becomes vacant we see the same managers roundabout style. Would we have gone for Rodgers if he was still in the Championship? How often do new faces, of any colour, break into the top or better jobs?


Good story - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26946476

Those are reasonable statistics to think on there are a number there that show at least at a coaching level licences are being sought

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Leeds hate Man U. Enemy of my enemy is my friend!

Leeds never have been and never will be my friend... Their rivalry in the 60s with us was legendary

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I guess ruud gullitt and frank rijkaard would be the 2 most succesful black managers in european football. Obviously some smart ass could find a club manager in africa with more titles etc.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank has thrown his name in for the leeds job. Personally I hope he doesnt get it as I want to see god get a job managing in england even if it is with Leeds.

Two decent examples, we need to see more

 

[Milk not bear jizz]

Leeds never have been and never will be my friend... Their rivalry in the 60s with us was legendary

I wasn't around to witness it!

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

We once had a thread about having a ****

#gerrez

And it probably got more comments than the rest of the threads on here as well I bet?

In fairness to the OP at least he's made an attempt to have a football discussion.

It's still going strong somewhere

Edit: Just bumped it just for you guys

 

[Flappy Flanagan (JK)]

What a s**t thread.

we have had plenty of them lately

International breaks

So my debate failed then

I didnt mean any controversy. But the black player to white player ratio has been constant debate in English football which the FA has struggled with.

The skin colour, race, nationality etc of our players makes no difference for. I think different cultural influences can be positive though.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

International breaks

So my debate failed then

I didnt mean any controversy. But the black player to white player ratio has been constant debate in English football which the FA has struggled with.

The skin colour, race, nationality etc of our players makes no difference for. I think different cultural influences can be positive though.

I think the original premise failed as a debate, it doesn't mean that in the general population you are alone in making an observation like this, it just means you were alone on here. But you have sparked some talking points so well done for that. I also believe that different cultural influences can be positive - just don't mention the unmentionable Uruguayan and a certain independent panel though

 

[jenners04]

i wasn't referring to this thread with that comment flappy mine was aimed at some of the silly ones we have had lately, this one may have been a little controversial, but it was at least footie related

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

I agree. I think race shouldn't matter... I do think it's odd we don't have more black managers though. Not sure racism is driving that or cultural preference though... it's just odd. Statistically as many people play the game- you'd expect Paul Ince not to be the only black manager.




That's not racism. It is culture. Just like English people aren't genetically superior to French people at playing snooker- it's just few French people play snooker. Lots of black people play football- yet few managers. Again - not saying Racism is the reason... it could just be cultural choice. Still a bit of a statistical anomaly though.

Oh yes we ****ing are

 

[Flappy Flanagan (JK)]

Two decent examples, we need to see more

I think the case with black managers just needs to be given time to improve. Current managers are mostly players fom the 70's, 80's and 90's. those guys got it tough in that era and are understandably put off. But now we are seeing players from 2000 onnwards going in to management, an era where the situation for black players was a lot better, and now it is even better. We just need to give it time for more managers to come through.

I'm confident more black managers will come.

 

[jenners04]

I think the case with black managers just needs to be given time to improve. Current managers are mostly players fom the 70's, 80's and 90's. those guys got it tough in that era and are understandably put off. But now we are seeing players from 2000 onnwards going in to management, an era where the situation for black players was a lot better, and now it is even better. We just need to give it time for more managers to come through.

I'm confident more black managers will come.

i honestly think its as simple as a lot of them would rather be tv stars etc than do the dirty work of being a manager.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

I think the case with black managers just needs to be given time to improve. Current managers are mostly players fom the 70's, 80's and 90's. those guys got it tough in that era and are understandably put off. But now we are seeing players from 2000 onnwards going in to management, an era where the situation for black players was a lot better, and now it is even better. We just need to give it time for more managers to come through.

I'm confident more black managers will come.

I'm more along the lines of "who gives a ****?". I couldn't give a **** if they are white, black, purple or a ****ing alien! Best man for the job, end of story

 

[jenners04]

I'm more along the lines of "who gives a ****?". I couldn't give a **** if they are white, black, purple or a ****ing alien! Best man for the job, end of story

yeah that's how it should be, but you know the girls in the office who are fit is going to get a job promotion before you lol. sad but true.

just thinking of the black managers discussion and why not many in the game, and a lot of them have gone into punditry etc, james,Soul Campbell,Robertson etc etc.

now if any of them was ever refused because of the colour of their skin fair enough case to answer, but like i said i think a lot of them now would rather be a tv star than the agro you get with managing in the prem.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

yeah that's how it should be, but you know the girls in the office who are fit is going to get a job promotion before you lol. sad but true.

just thinking of the black managers discussion and why not many in the game, and a lot of them have gone into punditry etc, james,Soul Campbell,Robertson etc etc.

now if any of them was ever refused because of the colour of their skin fair enough case to answer, but like i said i think a lot of them now would rather be a tv star than the agro you get with managing in the prem.

I tend to look at it differently. If you're good enough then you will get to where you want to be regardless of someone making un-PC decisions such as employing the fit girl first. Same guys for black players and managers. What annoys me is the need to highlight it. It effectively makes a us and them type scenario between blacks and whites. That in itself is racism IMO. We are all human, it doesn't matter what colour skin we have just as much as it doesn't matter what colour hair you have or what weight you are.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

yeah that's how it should be, but you know the girls in the office who are fit is going to get a job promotion before you lol. sad but true.

just thinking of the black managers discussion and why not many in the game, and a lot of them have gone into punditry etc, james,Soul Campbell,Robertson etc etc.

now if any of them was ever refused because of the colour of their skin fair enough case to answer, but like i said i think a lot of them now would rather be a tv star than the agro you get with managing in the prem.

Apparently the taller and the blonder you are as a woman, the more likely you are to get the job.

We only get to know just how much racism black players are subjected to if and when they come out and say it. The overt stuff - bananas, chants etc. is easy to pick up on but the more subtle stuff we never know about. What if it's the same when black men try to get into coaching - there's remarks like I wouldn't bother if I was you or worse. We can't say with any accuracy whether it does or doesn't happen - unless someone comes out and says it - so while it's nice to say best man gets the job what if behind the scenes there are men of colour being knocked back before they're even given a chance. This is the sort of thing that brought about the Rooney Rule in the US.