Off Topic European Debate Thread

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In, out, or undecided?

  • In

    Votes: 12 27.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 27 61.4%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • Total voters
    44
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banksyisourhero said:
Show us your plan?.. more of the same? 300.000 more migrants per year.. TTIP for the NHS.. £350m per week of our money to be spent how the EU see fit.

Hope or no hope.

Your arguments have been nothing more than speculation and scaremongering.

I'm out..
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Remain don't have to have a plan other than to fight the federalism agenda from within, with the help of the growing band of countries who will not accept Merkel's vision. As has been pointed out, she has an election to win and is coming under increasing pressure from her own people so she may not have a choice but to concede ground.

Now who's not answering the question. Here it is again...

"What does the warning from Junckers mean - will we be taken outside and shot at dawn...?!!!

It is not a threat, it is a stark warning, if we vote out, then WE will have excluded ourselves from the free market. No one will have thrown us out, IT WOULD BE OUR CHOICE to leave so I really have no idea how Leave can think that we will continue to get the full benefits from a club that WE resigned our membership of...??? Anyone from Brexit care to take this one...?
 
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Now if we advocate leaving the remainers are calling us " Gravediggers", along with all of the other lies they really are a bunch two faced twisters..
 
banksyisourhero said:
I have answered it.. its speculation and scaremongering, you just seem incapable of accepting that.

You answered your own question with a question!
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No, you didn't answer it at all. The question was...

"if we vote out, then WE will have excluded ourselves from the free market. No one will have thrown us out, IT WOULD BE OUR CHOICE to leave so I really have no idea how Leave can think that we will continue to get the full benefits from a club that WE resigned our membership of...???

There is no speculation or scaremongering, if we leave the EU, we leave the free market - FACT so, answer the Q...
 
If you're undecided then remember that voting remain is the safe option.

Nothing major will change and nothing can get worse.

In the EU, scientists will keep getting grants, the economy will remain stable, you will still be garunteed visa free travel.

We won't have years of not knowing and instability.

We won't have referendums in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales and the UK won't split.

Just remember there is no clear plan of we leave, just a bunch of people spouting claims with different motives.

The safe stable option is to stay.

Leaving is not worth the risk

VOTE REMAIN
 
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Premiershiporbust IV said:
Remain don't have to have a plan other than to fight the federalism from within, with the help of the growing band of countries who will not accept Merkel's vision. As has been pointed out, she has an election to win and is coming under increasing pressure from her own people so she may not have a choice but to concede ground.
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This is a statement of your opinion.

It has been said on multiple and numerous occasions.. We have been in for 40 years and have had no influence yet, No change yet.

You have said yourself many times that the EU will punish us if we leave, they don't care about us, They never have, never will.

Your whole argument has been based on what the EU will do to punish us if we should have the audacity to leave in a free vote, yet in the next post you tell us how We should stay in and 'influence' a corrupt organisation that has no interest in our well being.

Both you and MTG have a favourite word.. 'may'. It is all you base your arguments on "may this" .."may that"

It simply doesn't wash Prem.
 
Mind the gap! said:
The safe stable option is to stay.

Leaving is not worth the risk
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This is what you argument has amounted to? Really..

it 'may be safer.. really?

Grow some balls and show your Granddad that some of his DNA has actually passed down to you and the fight he put up to save this country from dictatorship hasn't been wasted.. The vote you get tomorrow is a gift from his generation to yours and you seem to have no idea how precious a gift it was.. You would give it away because "it may be a safer option"

Vote out MTG and I will personally teach you how to spell guarantee!
 
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banksyisourhero said:
This is a statement of your opinion. It has been said on multiple and numerous occasions.. We have been in for 40 years and have had no influence yet, No change yet. You have said yourself many times that the EU will punish us if we leave, they don't care about us, They never have, never will. Your whole argument has been based on what the EU will do to punish us if we should have the audacity to leave in a free vote, yet in the next post you tell us how We should stay in and 'influence' a corrupt organisation that has no interest in our well being. Both you and MTG have a favourite word.. 'may'. It is all you base your arguments on "may this" .."may that" It simply doesn't wash Prem.
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Err, no - my argument is based on the fact that the leave campaign is taking a totally irresponsible HUGE gamble on what they hope MAY make us better off and I for one do not believe that it will work out as they envision it due to, amongst other things, the fact that the EU will NOT play nice. We have been warned already but as I said, it would be our choice to leave so I will ask again.

how do Leave think that we will continue to get the full benefits from a club that WE resigned our membership of...???

This is a pretty fundamental requirement for the Brexit plan to succeed so can you explain how this would work...
 
Premiershiporbust IV said:
Still ignoring the question
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You've ignored dozens of mine!

Why is it so difficult for you to enlighten us on your occupation?

Do Germany send cars through Europe with right and left hand drive?

Do electrical goods have multiple plugs or rectification to the relevant countries electricity supply?

Is it acceptable that 300.000 immigrants will enter this country next year requiring us to build a City the size of Hull to accommodate them?

If the EU won't play nice, how do we gain more influence than we have failed to obtain yet in 40 years?

Regards your question it has been answered many times throughout this thread.. We trade worldwide.

WE CHOSE!!!

The difference between me and you is simple.

I accept that leaving will not provide all the answers but it gives us control!

You or MTG have not answered one single question with a 'fact' on one single occasion just speculation and opinion.. may,may, may.

60 pages and not one answer! and you want an answer from me??
 
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banksyisourhero said:
This is what you argument has amounted to? Really..

it 'may be safer.. really?

Grow some balls and show your Granddad that some of his DNA has actually passed down to you and the fight he put up to save this country from dictatorship hasn't been wasted.. The vote you get tomorrow is a gift from his generation to yours and you seem to have no idea how precious a gift it was.. You would give it away because "it may be a safer option"

Vote out MTG and I will personally teach you how to spell guarantee!
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The Eu is not a dictatorship, it is elected, just because more people vote for it doesn't make it not a democracy.

It is safer as it doesn't risk any uncertaintcy
 
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