Nail hot firmly on head......I didn’t take much persuading that it’s all a load of old bollox.......
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Nail hot firmly on head......I didn’t take much persuading that it’s all a load of old bollox.......
By Swindon I presume you mean Honda, well that’s been proved to be because of the EU’s tough stance on diesel and nothing to do with Brexit !!
Pleas if you wish to scaremonger please at least try to keep up and not be about 2 months behind.
Asshole un democratic remainers.
It works both ways.
I'm not going to stop referring to "The City of London" just because a large number of foreign companies are established there. Call it a habit, since I was born in London. The international nature of London, not restricted to the EU, is a major reason for its phenomenal success.
You clearly have a particularly subjective view of Brexit, namely you are (I assume) an Italian national working in London and are worried about your job. Fair enough, and I hope for your sake that Brexit does not affect your situation. But it results in you having a loaded, rather jaundiced view. We may be heading for a no deal, and that holds only pain for the EU. There is no upside for it. As I have said, the upside for the UK is that it resolves the Brexit problem, delivers independence and avoids serious damage to democracy and faith in the UK political system that could last a generation.
Theresa May always negotiated from weakness. The EU were aggressive and adversarial, the UK were defensive and placatory. In my view we need a strong leader and a strong negotiator (not necessarily the same individual) that will force the EU to confront the weaknesses in its own position, particularly as much of the EU (unlike the UK) is in a financially parlous state.
I assume by your strawberry sentence, you're asking which EU laws affect the UK's independence The answer of course, is compulsory freedom of movement. The UK Parliament must have the right to control borders and limit immigration when necessary, particularly to control numbers. This would almost certainly not affect foreign workers such as yourself. Restrictions imposed by the EU post Brexit might do. I'd start lobbying them, if I were you.
Labour's new policy - nationalisation without market value compensation
Only ever been tried in one country. Venezuela.
Only ever been tried in one country. Venezuela.
All the various arguments and details are, of course, important and interesting. But, for me (and this is not an original thought) the EU elections are nothing more than that second referendum that less than one half of the country has been wetting their panties over ever since the last democratic process failed to yield the verdict they wanted.
Frankly, it matters less about Farage, immigration, sovereignty and so on - this is an opportunity for people to reaffirm their position from the last time and is pretty binary.
I think there’s some shame due on those that will flip from Brexit to Remain. If they’d got their act together in the first place perhaps we wouldn’t have had three years of political impotence and failure?
Stick to your guns, folks. All markets want ultimately is certainty, whatever that looks like. They tend to recover after that. A proper, grown up government after Brexit would introduce measures to capture and sustain business etc.
Nowt to fear but fear itself.
This is all ****. Let’s get it sorted!
Frankly, it matters less about Farage, immigration, sovereignty and so on - this is an opportunity for people to reaffirm their position from the last time and is pretty binary.
I think there’s some shame due on those that will flip from Brexit to Remain. If they’d got their act together in the first place perhaps we wouldn’t have had three years of political impotence and failure?
Stick to your guns, folks. All markets want ultimately is certainty, whatever that looks like. They tend to recover after that. A proper, grown up government after Brexit would introduce measures to capture and sustain business etc.
Nowt to fear but fear itself.
This is all ****. Let’s get it sorted!
The last time I voted, almost 3 years ago now was in the Brexit referendum. That is still on going although the leavers won. The fact that elected MP's cannot carry out what the country voted for irritates.
My question is, if I vote, will all future decisions take as long to address?
My question is, if I vote, will all future decisions take as long to address?
With the present rabble allegedly representing us, then yes.
No, Ninj, because the EU has only given the UK an extension of time to implement Brexit until October. France, in particular, is dead against extending that date (and who can blame them?). We are moving towards no deal or revoke/remain. As Uber says, the forthcoming EU Parliamentary elections will give the Tories and Labour a good idea where the country stands. A storming vote for the Brexit Party sends out a formidable message.
There may need to be a general election though, that will be fought largely on the Brexit issue.
"Financial services companies in Britain have announced plans to move £1 trillion ($1.3 trillion) into the European Union, according to consultancy EY. That's up from an earlier estimate of £800 billion ($1.1 trillion)." Source Ernst & Young March 2019 unless The Sun is your source of informations.
I don’t usually get involved in political threads but the way the ruling classes have treated us with the contempt they have angers me.
The negotiations should’ve been easy, Mays team should’ve gone in on day 1 and said “on March 29 2019 we’re leaving with no deal unless you can give us a deal we can agree to”, then the EU would’ve fallen over themselves to give us a deal on our terms.
We have a weak and incompetent government and the opposition is even worse.
Come The revolution they’ll be the 1st against the wall.
The negotiations should’ve been easy, Mays team should’ve gone in on day 1 and said “on March 29 2019 we’re leaving with no deal unless you can give us a deal we can agree to”, then the EU would’ve fallen over themselves to give us a deal on our terms.
We have a weak and incompetent government and the opposition is even worse.
Come The revolution they’ll be the 1st against the wall.
Not sure how much time you have spent on the continent but in France, Italy and Luxembourg Brexit news are on page 19 of the newspapers. I doubt that any “deal on our terms” is or was ever seriously considered. There is no anger or resentment in Europe towards the UK just no one cares anymore.
News about France Italy and Luxembourg rarely even makes the uk papers
This Euro election is coming across as a "free" vote, as in reality, unless Brexit is revoked, the MEPs will only have a few months behind their desks. The protest vote for The Brexit Party may send messages to Westminster, but in a general election how many seats do you think Farage and co would win?
Agree, think there must be a GE, but can't see any party winning any sort of majority, and we'll just keep going round in circles again. Whole thing is becoming a joke.
I think Farage's future depends on who is the next Tory leader. If a Remainer like Amber Rudd comes in, Farage will take a huge part of the Tory (Leave) vote and will have to form a fleshed out party in a short time. He will become a major player in UK politics and will break the 2 party system.
If a Brexiteer comes in, like Dominic Raab, then I think Raab would have to do a deal with Farage, and give him a role in the EU discussions at cabinet level.
Raab may even go into the GE on a "managed no-deal" manifesto. Corbyn will have to decide if he keeps sitting on the fence, or goes fully Remain.
Then we get Raab or Corbyn as PM and a new parliament. A good majority or a hung parliament? I can't see further ahead than that!
my comment was purely sarcastic as I cannot see the point of voting in people in places of power where decisions are made when they cannot make up their minds about anything. Even when there is a majority to take things forward, surely leave should mean leave and the details sorted out later?
Personally, none of the current MP's inspire me with any confidence.....they all seem to want to line their own pockets and screw everyone else over!!
Personally, none of the current MP's inspire me with any confidence.....they all seem to want to line their own pockets and screw everyone else over!!
If this refers to industries which were under national ownership at one stage, then their initial privatization was a theft from the people anyway.
Name the industries which were created by the state in the first place*. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Nationalised industries aren’t owned by the people, they are owned by the government/state. The people, and even the workers in them, don’t have much if any say on how these industries are run, in the private or public sector. Ask Stainsey, he works in the public sector, as I’m sure others on here do. I have worked in the public sector, private sector organisations and for myself and in partnerships. Only in the latter two did I have any sense of control or ownership, and in both I worked much harder.
The only influence we have over public or private sector concerns is as individual consumers, in other words minimal unless we act collectively. Which we very rarely do, because we have delegated our decision making agency upwards through believing, or being brainwashed into believing, that parliamentary democracy is the one true, real form of democracy.
* the ones that spring to mind are prisons, the police, the armed forces, customs and excise. The instruments of state control.
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