Off Topic EU Elections

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How will you vote in the EU elections?

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Sooperhoop said:
And you think it's not already round the U-bend with the behaviour of the Tories and Labour? As for the other bit players they're all Remainers so we'll just sit back and let the establishment ignore a clear majority of 1.2 million voters? The EU election will send a message to the Eurocrats that nothing will change if politicians f*ck the majority of voters about with their own agendas and Farage is simply the vehicle to get that message across, he's far smarter than most of the half-wits who have created this mess...
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GoldhawkRoad said:
It's interesting that you accuse me of rhetoric and can be as specific as 30% on GDP. The truth is, you don't know, because no one has an idea what mitigating arrangement would be struck if the UK proceeds with no deal. So all the specifics from the likes of you will be as accurate as George Osborns's predictions before the referendum. Democracy in this country is at stake. We have to leave.
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I talk facts. The financial sector is7% of the UK gdp (about 28 bn in 2017). What miraculous yet unspecified “mitigating agreement” you envisage to be put in place ? Reality is you can estimate what you loose but have no idea what you might gain. In any csse i understand the underlying frustration leading to this vote and sympathise but if you want to fight injustice in a democracy fight it from within.
 
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QPRoma said:
I talk facts. The financial sector is7% of the UK gdp (about 28 bn in 2017). What miraculous yet unspecified “mitigating agreement” you envisage to be put in place ? Reality is you can estimate what you loose but have no idea what you might gain. In any csse i understand the underlying frustration leading to this vote and sympathise but if you want to fight injustice in a democracy fight it from within.
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If you take the EU to the wire they compromise. But May has given them a most comfortable ride with an incredibly weak team. The UK needs a tough negotiator. Then pragmatism will prevail.
 
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GoldhawkRoad said:
If you take the EU to the wire they compromise. But May has given them a most comfortable ride with an incredibly weak team. The UK needs a tough negotiator. Then pragmatism will prevail.
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Even with the best negotiator a compromise means receiving and giving. What will be the price for accessing Europe ? Money, free movement...? If so I don’t see a huge difference from today’s situation. Think that Brexit is sponsored by the rich elite (Rees Mogg, Johnson and the likes) but the less fortunate will pay the price (Swindon job losses just the beginning imo). Obviously this is an chat for the elite. Anyway best of luck.
 
rangercol said:
Nope, in your head it was immigration as all leavers are racists (in your head).
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When have I ever said that all Leave voters are racist? You really have to get over this ****, Col. You're paranoid.

Here's a poll, taken just before the referendum. The top three concerns cited were:

Immigration 48%
NHS 37&
EU 32%

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/concern-about-immigration-rises-eu-vote-approaches

Farage's disgraceful poster almost certainly contributed greatly to the fact that concerns over immigration had risen by 10%.

Every Leave voter I speak to (in person that is) concedes that immigration fears were the biggest factor in Leave winning.
 
QPRoma said:
Even with the best negotiator a compromise means receiving and giving. What will be the price for accessing Europe ? Money, free movement...? If so I don’t see a huge difference from today’s situation. Think that Brexit is sponsored by the rich elite (Rees Mogg, Johnson and the likes) but the less fortunate will pay the price (Swindon job losses just the beginning imo). Obviously this is an chat for the elite. Anyway best of luck.
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There are a lot of EU companies that need access to the City of London. The UK has a trade deficit with the EU. The EU wants to influence the favourable tax environment the UK offers foreign companies. All these were underplayed by May. It's true that a no deal will damage both the UK and the EU, but the UK walks away with its independence and democracy in tact.
 
Stroller said:
In your head maybe, but in the real world it was immigration.
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I don't really see the two as exclusive, the whole independence argument for me is intertwined with the issue of immigration. But it is acutely clear to most that immigration was the main factor, it doesn't make everyone who voted for that reason racist. There was lashings of xenophobia at play though and you can't argue that their wasn't when you look at Farages appalling billboard.
 
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GoldhawkRoad said:
There are a lot of EU companies that need access to the City of London. The UK has a trade deficit with the EU. The EU wants to influence the favourable tax environment the UK offers foreign companies. All these were underplayed by May. It's true that a no deal will damage both the UK and the EU, but the UK walks away with its independence and democracy in tact.
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Nonsense. What you call the City of London is made by a large part of foreign companies established in the UK and foreign workers. If the dream is make the UK attractive again bu fiscal dumping i would be delighted and it might explain why the rich are so much in favour of it. Out of curiosity can you name one meaningful instance (size of strawberries aside) where the independence and democracy intheIK have been affected ?
 
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All I'm saying is it's not a good idea to vote in corrupt and gaming politicians just because they're saying what you want to hear.
 
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