Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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steveninaster1 said:
It sounds like you are more interested in attacking than discussing, which is a shame.
Your post claimed I was dreaming that Brexit won't happen, this is untrue.
I have given my reasons for believing the UK economy was already set for a correction prior to Brexit and that the uncertainty caused by the result has made this more severe than would otherwise have been the case.
You are fully entitled to claim it as nonsense but the points I have raised, particularly our reliance on foreign investment to plug our deficit are genuine.
My reference to article 50 is more a tongue in cheek remark to say anything is possible and I am not ruling out the possibility that an impasse is reached between UK and EU which results in a unilateral exit by the UK. Particularly if the EU refuse to allow trade negotiations to take place during the two years.
Bluntly the EU want us to trigger article 50 because it puts them in control and we want to place conditions on the trigger to prevent being in a poor bargaining position.
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Steven,

This thread may not be for you, you're far to sensible in your quotes!
You will find out very quickly, that this thread is a pissing contest and a place to see who can out do each other with childish remarks.
 
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pieguts said:
Steven,

This thread may not be for you, you're far to sensible in your quotes!
You will find out very quickly, that this thread is a pissing contest and a place to see who can out do each other with childish remarks.
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That's not entirely true. Some very good points have been raised here. It's just been turned into a part time pissing contest by a few who insist on ridiculing any opinion that differs from their own.
 
steveninaster1 said:
It sounds like you are more interested in attacking than discussing, which is a shame.
Your post claimed I was dreaming that Brexit won't happen, this is untrue.
I have given my reasons for believing the UK economy was already set for a correction prior to Brexit and that the uncertainty caused by the result has made this more severe than would otherwise have been the case.
You are fully entitled to claim it as nonsense but the points I have raised, particularly our reliance on foreign investment to plug our deficit are genuine.
My reference to article 50 is more a tongue in cheek remark to say anything is possible and I am not ruling out the possibility that an impasse is reached between UK and EU which results in a unilateral exit by the UK. Particularly if the EU refuse to allow trade negotiations to take place during the two years.
Bluntly the EU want us to trigger article 50 because it puts them in control and we want to place conditions on the trigger to prevent being in a poor bargaining position.
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I think there's a lot of truth in what you say. I think the global market has an interest in keeping the UK economy patched up too.

I think the dip in the economy is a price worth paying. Had we voted to stay in, the decision makers in the EU would feel empowered, and we'd see even less out of it than we do now. There are more drains on the system joining, and a strong possibility that other big players will leave. All of which would leave us in less of a position to protect our economy from the future dip, which would have come.

I left jobs and relationships that cost me far more than leaving the EU will, but they were the right decisions. It's too big a topic to have just the economy as the single topic.

When all's said and done, we're out. Those just whining it's not fair are simply a part of the problem.
 
Ironically our leaving has reduced the likelihood of others leaving. Polls across Europe in recent weeks have shown a large shift to remain. They look at us and it makes them think twice about whether the price is worth paying.
Just like before the referendum there will be pro and anti EU political parties and members of the public that support them. Neither side are whining, just arguing their case.
 
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steveninaster1 said:
Ironically our leaving has reduced the likelihood of others leaving. Polls across Europe in recent weeks have shown a large shift to remain. They look at us and it makes them think twice about whether the price is worth paying.
Just like before the referendum there will be pro and anti EU political parties and members of the public that support them. Neither side are whining, just arguing their case.
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Most other EU countries and much smaller than the UK and are net receivers of money, so why would they want to leave.
 
Fez said:
It would make no difference what you put in , or when. You are a proven LIAR so your credibility is worthless.
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Fez said:
Where it doesn't exist he'll make it up. It's what the liar does.
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Fez said:
You don't do close to the truth, you don't do truth. You're a liar.
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5am meltdown <laugh> love it

You really are a child.

You condoned, supported and sympathised with a bigot. You got pulled up on it and you don't like it. Stop crying and grow up <ok>
 
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steveninaster1 said:
Ironically our leaving has reduced the likelihood of others leaving. Polls across Europe in recent weeks have shown a large shift to remain. They look at us and it makes them think twice about whether the price is worth paying.
Just like before the referendum there will be pro and anti EU political parties and members of the public that support them. Neither side are whining, just arguing their case.
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Despite what he says, as they say in the US, 'It's the economy, stupid!'

It has to be the primary issue as pretty much everything else stems from it.
 
HRH Custard VC said:
Most other EU countries and much smaller than the UK and are net receivers of money, so why would they want to leave.
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You would have to ask them. It's the same argument used in places like Merthyr Tydfil where the vote was leave despite significant EU funding to the area.
The German leave party are polling 25% lower, Netherlands Geert Wilders is now at his lowest level for over a year, Austria have switched from polling leave to remain, Denmark remain is up 10% and these are countries who are not huge recievers like the old eastern bloc and southern europeans.
 
steveninaster1 said:
Ironically our leaving has reduced the likelihood of others leaving. Polls across Europe in recent weeks have shown a large shift to remain. They look at us and it makes them think twice about whether the price is worth paying.
Just like before the referendum there will be pro and anti EU political parties and members of the public that support them. Neither side are whining, just arguing their case.
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That depends on which articles you read. The German government is fearful that four eu countries are close to leaving.

As for the comments that it's all about the economy, it isn't, but even if it was, there's every chance that staying in would weaken the economy in the future, and leave us less able to do anything about it.
 
steveninaster1 said:
You would have to ask them. It's the same argument used in places like Merthyr Tydfil where the vote was leave despite significant EU funding to the area.
The German leave party are polling 25% lower, Netherlands Geert Wilders is now at his lowest level for over a year, Austria have switched from polling leave to remain, Denmark remain is up 10% and these are countries who are not huge recievers like the old eastern bloc and southern europeans.
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I suspect they've looked at the GBP, seen it become the worst performing currency in 2016, and analysed the post referendum data and noticed that all of it is negative.
 
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