Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

[Treble]

Where is anyone saying everything will be okay?

It's a common flaw in some of the arguments on here.

Plenty have said they expected a dip in the short term and then usually followed up with a patronising comment that we should all have belief in our country to come good in the end. Also many have said we will be better off. I'm simply saying that belief isn't enough. Hope on the other hand is probably more applicable.

 

[DMD]

Plenty have said they expected a dip in the short term and then usually followed up with a patronising comment that we should all have belief in our country to come good in the end. Also many have said we will be better off. I'm simply saying that belief isn't enough. Hope on the other hand is probably more applicable.

It will come good in the end. Most if not all have said that there are plenty of ups and downs to come. They would have come which ever way the vote went.

Simply banging on that it's not fair and we're doomed achieves nothing and the issues are far wider than just the economy.

 

[Stan]

Well done Portugal and Ronnie.

@Fez, another darkie has entered the debate. He's probably feeling a bit cocky having had a meal or two after Ramadamadingdong.

I thought Ku Klux Kustard had seen him off to Calais but perhaps not. We need to do something about this!

Am I being serious?

 

[steveninaster1]

It will come good in the end. Most if not all have said that there are plenty of ups and downs to come. They would have come which ever way the vote went.

Simply banging on that it's not fair and we're doomed achieves nothing.

I agree, a level of realism is needed. The UK economy has been in trouble for a while, relying on an over inflated property market and confidence of foreign investment. Both of these are now fundamentally damaged and will take many years to recover regardless of whether the article 50 trigger is pulled or not.

 

[Treble]

It will come good in the end. Most if not all have said that there are plenty of ups and downs to come. They would have come which ever way the vote went.

Simply banging on that it's not fair and we're doomed achieves nothing and the issues are far wider than just the economy.

I don't think it's as simple as saying we're doomed, it's more the case that the signs so far suggest that it's as bad (if not worse) as the worst case scenarios had thought. If the forecast so far has proved to be accurate, it doesn't bode well. You may say that achieves nothing, but saying it will come good in the end achieves just as much. I think both are valid sentiments btw, I don't think either should be criticised.

 

[Treble]

@Fez, another darkie has entered the debate. He's probably feeling a bit cocky having had a meal or two after Ramadamadingdong.

I thought Ku Klux Kustard had seen him off to Calais but perhaps not. We need to do something about this!

Am I being serious?

Shall I put the "whooooooooosh" in now or later?

 

[DMD]

I don't think it's as simple as saying we're doomed, it's more the case that the signs so far suggest that it's as bad (if not worse) as the worst case scenarios had thought. If the forecast so far has proved to be accurate, it doesn't bode well. You may say that achieves nothing, but saying it will come good in the end achieves just as much. I think both are valid sentiments btw, I don't think either should be criticised.

I agree. That's why I've tried several times to widen the discussion, but some seem stuck in a narrow position, and seem determined to keep things polarized.

Just watching the news, and it's talking about how the drop in the pound will benefit exports, which had been struggling before the referendum and would probably have needed action to help it.

 

[steveninaster1]

I agree. That's why I've tried several times to widen the discussion, but some seem stuck in a narrow position, and seem determined to keep things polarized.

Just watching the news, and it's talking about how the drop in the pound will benefit exports, which had been struggling before the referendum and would probably have needed action to help it.

Its a shame our exports are reliant on the import of raw materials and that the public are reliant on imports for many essential goods. All of which will more than offset any benefit for foreign companies with factories in the UK. The net result is inflation which either pushes up wages and wipes out the benefit of a cheaper pound or makes us poorer

 

[remembercolinlee]

Here's that article I was talking about debunking the Daily Mail article that dimwit @petersaxton was referring to...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-ion-jinga/romania-immigration_b_4451633.html

Some important salient points...







Ofcourse if you have a right-wing agenda like our resident bigot on this thread, this will be an inconvenient truth to their hate of those damned romanian gypo's (and for those too dense to get the sarcasm, let me state the terminology has been used to highlight what Pete sees this race of people as )

Cheers Treble...will have a read of it

 

[DMD]

Its a shame our exports are reliant on the import of raw materials and that the public are reliant on imports for many essential goods. All of which will more than offset any benefit for foreign companies with factories in the UK. The net result is inflation which either pushes up wages and wipes out the benefit of a cheaper pound or makes us poorer

It is, but being outside the EU could give us more flexibility on some deals. Being inside has cost us in some ways, as we couldn't always take advantage , or protect ourseleves from gluts in the market for raw materials.

 

[steveninaster1]

Yes we are already being offered deals by South Korea and New Zealand. Mainly because we are a good export market for them and therefore a source of income. Whether risking a significant chunk of our exports for this is worth the chance that it could result in more beneficial deals in future remains to be seen. One thing is sure - the 12 trade negotiators currently employed by the government are woefully inadequate and hiring the extra 400-500 required is going to be very expensive and take several years to sort out

 

[Fez]

@Fez, another darkie has entered the debate. He's probably feeling a bit cocky having had a meal or two after Ramadamadingdong.

I thought Ku Klux Kustard had seen him off to Calais but perhaps not. We need to do something about this!

Am I being serious?

Not interested, it's got nothing to do with me.

 

[Fez]

Shall I put the "whooooooooosh" in now or later?

It would make no difference what you put in , or when. You are a proven LIAR so your credibility is worthless.

 

[Fez]

Looks like I've touched a nerve Was I a bit close to the truth about the bar comment? I can always tell when I am because you lash out with incoherent waffle.

You don't do close to the truth, you don't do truth. You're a liar.

 

[Fez]

Where is anyone saying everything will be okay?

It's a common flaw in some of the arguments on here.

Where it doesn't exist he'll make it up. It's what the liar does.

 

[petersaxton]

I agree, a level of realism is needed. The UK economy has been in trouble for a while, relying on an over inflated property market and confidence of foreign investment. Both of these are now fundamentally damaged and will take many years to recover regardless of whether the article 50 trigger is pulled or not.

"An overinflated property market" - "fundamentally damaged" - absolute nonsense
"whether the article 50 trigger is pulled or not." - still dreaming - there's no way that the UK will not leave the EU

 

[petersaxton]

Its a shame our exports are reliant on the import of raw materials and that the public are reliant on imports for many essential goods. All of which will more than offset any benefit for foreign companies with factories in the UK. The net result is inflation which either pushes up wages and wipes out the benefit of a cheaper pound or makes us poorer

there is not going to be any "inflation" - above the managed 2-3%

 

[petersaxton]

Yes we are already being offered deals by South Korea and New Zealand. Mainly because we are a good export market for them and therefore a source of income. Whether risking a significant chunk of our exports for this is worth the chance that it could result in more beneficial deals in future remains to be seen. One thing is sure - the 12 trade negotiators currently employed by the government are woefully inadequate and hiring the extra 400-500 required is going to be very expensive and take several years to sort out

In the short term the country will use consultants
the country will now be in a position to increase the capacity of our trade departments and foreign office

 

[NSIS]

I didn't say they had. The point I was highlighting was that because the public haven't yet felt the effects of the decision, it does not mean there will be no effect.
The everything will be OK was really the line used by Boris and I think we can accept this is discredited, although some still cling to his empty words

Mate, you're talking to a bloke who knows everything. Of course he knew that a leave vote would send the UK back into recession. He knew the pound would disappear up its own arse. He knew that everything was going to be fine because Boris and Nigel told him so - anybody seen them recently, btw - despite the fact that not one single person from their now discredited campaign has a single clue as to what to do next.

He knew all this and still voted to leave. Go figure!...

 

[NSIS]

You said: "The way forward? I've no idea right now. Worse still, neither do the leaders of the leave campaign, who have all suddenly disappeared."

I said: "It was always going to be the government who was going to implement the referendum result. Only an idiot would think otherwise."

You said: "Pete, WTF are you on about?"

What did you expect the leaders of the leave campaign to do? Take over the government or something? The government were always going to be the organisation who would administer the UK leaving the EU. The people in the leave campaign knew their role was to run the leave campaign.

You don't seem to understand any of this do you?

Pete, you're a moron! Simple as!

When I said that I didn't know what would happen next, I meant the economy, you numbskull.

Boris & co didn't bother to explain to their supporters how the economy would suffer. How the pound in their pocket would soon be worth **** all. How the price of their property will drop. How their jobs, and financial security could well be threatened.

You, as usual, got completely the wrong end of the stick and start ranting on about what the Gvt is going to do.