Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


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It's funny how every establishment pronouncement for years was met with indifference or downright ridicule but since the referendum was announced the Remainers have hung on every word!

FYI. Mark Carney is the best and one of the most widely respected governors in many years. Those who know this have always listened to and respected what he has to say.

He's been dealt a hand he didn't want and doesn't need. But, he's a pro. He'll play that hand the best he can. You can count on that.
 
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I might be wrong as i assumed FTSE350 were again mainly british companies (i haven't looked) but are you telling me the companies from 251 -> 350 are mainly foreign companies?
The 350 is a combination of the 100 and the 250. The 100 has dragged the 350 up. Mining and oil stocks are doing well. That's no reflection of a bright economic outlook for Britain. Carney is the only sane man at the helm at the minute and he's not calling it rosy. Gradually people will realise that this "victory" is going to come at a great cost and ultimately it will mean next to **** all for the UK's independence. It will become a face palm moment in history!
 
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It's funny how every establishment pronouncement for years was met with indifference or downright ridicule but since the referendum was announced the Remainers have hung on every word!

I've only ridiculed Osbourne and Cameron for 'promising to get rid of the deficit by 2020' and 'not to privatise the NHS', 'reducing the debt as a proportion of GDP' and even ridiculed May's assertion to 'reduce immigration' in 2012. But Carney has been pretty spot on tbf and when the World Bank, BoE, IMF, OECD and other major economic players all say the same thing then you tend to listen to them. Especially when opposed with either people with absolutely no plan or ones spouting absolute BS about £350m a week and us not losing a penny in funding...
 
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I've only ridiculed Osbourne and Cameron for 'promising to get rid of the deficit by 2020' and 'not to privatise the NHS', 'reducing the debt as a proportion of GDP' and even ridiculed May's assertion to 'reduce immigration' in 2012. But Carney has been pretty spot on tbf and when the World Bank, BoE, IMF, OECD and other major economic players all say the same thing then you tend to listen to them. Especially when opposed with either people with absolutely no plan or ones spouting absolute BS about £350m a week and us not losing a penny in funding...
Can you explain what the Labour Party's plan is?
 
Conservative Party plan:
Elect new leader
Leader will appoint cabinet and ministers
Government will get on with governing including planning and negotiating for leaving the EU

Labour Party plan:
Continue squabbling among themselves
 
Very briefly, Labours plans (or should I say Corbyn and McDonalds plans) are to increase public building projects to promote growth, reduce costs and improve safety and service by re-nationalising the railways as each network contract ends. Reverse the privatisation of the NHS, increase funding and ensure that the NHS is kept free at the point of use, increase penalties for tax avoidance, and ensure a far higher proportion of multinationals pay their taxes. Increase democracy in politics ensuring that local people can de-select MPs, they will increase the minimum wage to a living wage, ensure we are signed up to the ECHR Human Rights Charter and protect our Workers Rights. They will invest in the economy so it will grow - as he says 'you can't cut your way to prosperity' as has been proved by Cameron and Osborne. Ensure education is free and available to all, giving Britain a high-skill workforce.
 
The 350 is a combination of the 100 and the 250. The 100 has dragged the 350 up. Mining and oil stocks are doing well. That's no reflection of a bright economic outlook for Britain. Carney is the only sane man at the helm at the minute and he's not calling it rosy. Gradually people will realise that this "victory" is going to come at a great cost and ultimately it will mean next to **** all for the UK's independence. It will become a face palm moment in history!

Learn something new everyday.

Knew the ftse 100 was the biggest 100 companies in the UK. I thought ftse 250 was 1 -> 250. Didn't realise that it was 101-> 350 <doh>.
 
Very briefly, Labours plans (or should I say Corbyn and McDonalds plans) are to increase public building projects to promote growth, reduce costs and improve safety and service by re-nationalising the railways as each network contract ends. Reverse the privatisation of the NHS, increase funding and ensure that the NHS is kept free at the point of use, increase penalties for tax avoidance, and ensure a far higher proportion of multinationals pay their taxes. Increase democracy in politics ensuring that local people can de-select MPs, they will increase the minimum wage to a living wage, ensure we are signed up to the ECHR Human Rights Charter and protect our Workers Rights. They will invest in the economy so it will grow - as he says 'you can't cut your way to prosperity' as has been proved by Cameron and Osborne. Ensure education is free and available to all, giving Britain a high-skill workforce.
So if they have a plan such as that why should they need to have all these resignations and arguments?
 
Whereas the Tory plans are to reduce our Human Rights - taking us out of the ECHR, attacking our Workers Rights and social protection - taking us out of the EU Social Charter and attacking our Unions.
Reduce corporation tax - improving the lot for multinationals and millionaires
Increase draconian cuts for the poorest - like the ones that saw between 60,000 to 80,000 disabled people lose their lives because of the Fit To Work scheme
Continue to privatise the NHS
Pass the buck between leaders on who is going to enact Article 50
Enable the 'Snoopers Charter' further reducing our human rights and enabling the government to know every single thing we do online
Ensure the Minimum Wage lags further behind the Living Wage.

And a few other nice things...
 
Liam Fox first out.

I attended a dinner roundtable with him about ten years ago. He was very hard to like. It seems the Tory MPs think the same!
 
With the Human rights bit, the plan was to alter just a very small part, so we can deport scum bags easier.

The UK is the leader of human rights, FYI
 
Whereas the Tory plans are to reduce our Human Rights - taking us out of the ECHR, attacking our Workers Rights and social protection - taking us out of the EU Social Charter and attacking our Unions.
Reduce corporation tax - improving the lot for multinationals and millionaires
Increase draconian cuts for the poorest - like the ones that saw between 60,000 to 80,000 disabled people lose their lives because of the Fit To Work scheme
Continue to privatise the NHS
Pass the buck between leaders on who is going to enact Article 50
Enable the 'Snoopers Charter' further reducing our human rights and enabling the government to know every single thing we do online
Ensure the Minimum Wage lags further behind the Living Wage.

And a few other nice things...
What is your evidence that human rights is going to be reduced unless you are a dangerous criminal?
How are they going to attack workers rights?
How are they going to attack the unions?
Have you got a link to the number of disabled people have lost their lives because of the Fit To Work scheme?
The new Prime Minister will enact Article 50
How will the government know every single thing we do online?
 
So if they have a plan such as that why should they need to have all these resignations and arguments?

I've explained that already if you'd care to read back. Basically it is a coup, called the chicken coup, orchestrated by Alistair Darling and his PR company Portland House (based close to the BBC offices) to remove Corbyn, this coup was organised over 6 months ago and has been led by a series of smears and leaks to the press in the run up to the referendum and this coup. They want to remove him 1) because the Blairites in the party want control over the party again and Corbyn and McDonald are anti-establishment who want to return the power of the party back to party members via a democratic system where they can vote leaders in and de-select MPs if they aren't working for their constituents. But mainly 2) The Chilcott Report - this report is going to implicate many influential people on both sides of the House, but obviously mainly on the Labour side, and will embarrass many more - including current MPs who voted for the war and the press and others who collaborated with the PM to make the case for war. They absolutely do not want a Labour Leader on the dispatch box demanding the ex-PM, Tony Blair, and others face war crimes and indictments, which Corbyn has said he will do. They want to discredit him and if possible remove him before this so they can sweep as much of it as possible under the carpet.

They know Angela Eagle stands no chance of winning a leadership campaign against him as Corbyn has more supporters registered with the Labour party than there are total members for both the Tories and Lib Dems combined!
 
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It's funny how every establishment pronouncement for years was met with indifference or downright ridicule but since the referendum was announced the Remainers have hung on every word!

It's okay Pete, some people knew what was coming, so I'm sure they invested accordingly. As caring types, I'm sure they'll help out those at the bottom with some of their new found wealth. <ok>
 
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