Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

[Smirnoffpriest]

Nope. The fact some get in is neither here nor there, it doesn't justify the exclusion of the others.

???? So the fact that everyone in Europe, regardless of creed, religion, nationality, sexuality, gender, ethnicity has the same rights and is open to the same Freedom of Movement (within certain parameters), but some have decided to move to this country and some haven't of their own free will is proof that this rule is discriminatory and exclusionary????

 

[DMD]

It's exactly the same circumstances you bobble head

What grounds are you suggesting it's racist on then? As you appear to squirming like a fish on a hook.

I'm not the one that keeps trying to rewrite things.

The general policy is discriminatory toward non-White countries.

 

[luvgonzo]

Surely, left wingers should be complaining about this siege mentality from nationalistic and isolationist Little Europeans?
What you're defending is a continuation of restricted access to over 90% of people. That's simply an extension of the right wing Little Englander policy that you deride.


EDITED to keep it all together. You two are starting to clutter the place up with your confusion.

As a person I'd like to think that if I'm wrong I can accept it and I am wrong often (Mrs luv says so). Simply put your statement about the EU being racist was wrong, it's not perfect but it is not implemented with the intention of being racist. The points based system you would have could discriminate against people, not saying it's wrong but it will be problematic for some ethnic minorities because of a lack of education and/or money once again I don't think the system sets out to be racist but both have their problems and neither of them are intentionally racist. You were wrong so accept it and move on to the next point, perhaps this time you'll be right.

 

[DMD]

???? So the fact that everyone in Europe, regardless of creed, religion, nationality, sexuality, gender, ethnicity has the same rights and is open to the same Freedom of Movement (within certain parameters), but some have decided to move to this country and some haven't of their own free will is proof that this rule is discriminatory and exclusionary????

Is it? It's an interesting concept, but not what I said.

 

[luvgonzo]

Good film Ghandi.

Yeah not bad at all.

 

[DMD]

As a person I'd like to think that if I'm wrong I can accept it and I am wrong often (Mrs luv says so). Simply put your statement about the EU being racist was wrong, it's not perfect but it is not implemented with the intention of being racist. The points based system you would have could discriminate against people, not saying it's wrong but it will be problematic for some ethnic minorities because of a lack of education and/or money once again I don't think the system sets out to be racist but both have their problems and neither of them are intentionally racist. You were wrong so accept it and move on to the next point, perhaps this time you'll be right.

You use a lot of words to say I'm wrong because you say so, without actually addressing the point.

 

[Skylarker]

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[luvgonzo]

You use a lot of words to say I'm wrong because you say so.

Not all all, I have pointed out in many posts how you are wrong, you are chosing to ignore those points.

I'll give you an example, I started mouthing off about a general election but it was pointed out by some that I was wrong and that the rules state that there should not be a GE. I still think it would be a good idea but on the point of there should be a GE I was wrong. See, not hard is it everyone is wrong now and then.

 

[Smirnoffpriest]

What are you trying to prove? Did you not hear the leave campaign tell you the economy would suffer if their campaign won?

You aren't proving anything, although you are coming across as somebody who is desperate for this country to fail so you can pop up and say 'I was right'

You have solely posted all of the negatives and continually swerved the positives that have come up.

Sad.

Funny, all I remember being told was that the EU was costing us huge amounts of money that at least £350m a week would be spent on the NHS that is currently being spent on the EU, that we would be hugely more competitive outside of the EU, that the regions wouldn't miss a penny and the UK Gov would replace every single penny of EU funds. I also remember them saying that we'd have countries queuing up to do business with us and that 'we are Britain, the 5th biggest economy in the world (well we were the 5th biggest at that point) we'll prosper on our own'.

I don't remember anyone saying - actually you know what? Post-Brexit our economy will shrink, France will overtake us, the value of the pound will plummet, there will be none of that fictional extra money we promised, indeed we'll need to raise taxes (on the poor) and have further spending cuts, while the pound and economy will take a hit - we don't know how much of a hit as the architects of this whole thing haven't actually got a single plan between them and are all going to race each other to quit so they don't have to clean up the mess!

I must have missed that message pre-referendum...

 

[DMD]

Not all all, I have pointed out in many posts how you are wrong, you are chosing to ignore those points.

I'll give you an example, I started mouthing off about a general election but it was pointed out by some that I was wrong and that the rules state that there should not be a GE. I still think it would be a good idea but on the point of there should be a GE I was wrong. See, not hard is it everyone is wrong now and then.

You made some points about a question I never asked and a position I don't hold.

 

[Skylarker]

You made some points about a question I never asked and a position I don't hold.

What's your favourite colour?

 

[Stan]

Not all all, I have pointed out in many posts how you are wrong, you are chosing to ignore those points.

I'll give you an example, I started mouthing off about a general election but it was pointed out by some that I was wrong and that the rules state that there should not be a GE. I still think it would be a good idea but on the point of there should be a GE I was wrong. See, not hard is it everyone is wrong now and then.

The simple fact is if you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Obviously don't head straight into the other kitchen as Mrs Pete's got all the ovens on in that one as well.

 

[Skylarker]

Too many cooks don't spoil the broth in Pete's house.

 

[luvgonzo]

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I agree, good point.

 

[Skylarker]

I agree, good point.

Going round and round in circles and spiraling out of control.

Easier to draw it tbh.

 

[luvgonzo]

You made some points about a question I never asked and a position I don't hold.

Oh ok, I'm out. No idea what I'm doing here.

 

[Smirnoffpriest]

Is it? It's an interesting concept, but not what I said.

But nobody is getting excluded so what is your point????

 

[Smirnoffpriest]

Too many cooks don't spoil the broth in Pete's house.

That's coz he's got so many kitchens!

 

[luvgonzo]

so what is your point????

That he's not wrong regardless of what anyone says.

 

[Stan]

Oh ok, I'm out. No idea what I'm doing here.

That hasn't stopped Custard. Can you take him with you? Tell him there's a rally and that they'll be serving pie and mash.