Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

[HRH Custard VC]

And you still have hose pipe bans in the summer. What do you do with it all

Make beer

 

[Smirnoffpriest]

https://www.jrf.org.uk/press/leave-voters-felt-ignored-and-left-behind-brexit-poll

The independent Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF) is calling for a renewed drive to solve poverty after the vote to leave the EU, as new research reveals the extent people feel disconnected from the UK’s economic growth and how their concerns are ignored by the political establishment.

Following last month’s Brexit vote, which revealed deep divisions in British society, a poll of over 2,000 people conducted by Populus for JRF has revealed that those who voted for Brexit feel left behind by economic growth and ignored by politicians.

In one of the first polls after Brexit, it presents a clear instruction for the next government to ensure things do not return to ‘business as usual’ for people and places who feel left behind. The new Prime Minister, Theresa May, has said her premiership will focus on uniting the country and carrying out a programme of social and economic reform.

The findings show:

• Brexit voters are twice as likely to feel their local area doesn’t get its fair share of Britain’s economic success (23% vs 11%), and that their local area has been neglected by politicians (27% vs. 13%).
• Brexit voters are also nearly twice as likely to believe that national government does not listen to their concerns (40% vs. 23%).
• Brexit voters are more likely to believe wealth in the UK is not fairly distributed, and that they do not personally benefit from economic growth in the UK. In all cases, Brexit voters on low incomes were more likely to share these sentiments than those on higher incomes.
• Brexit voters feel more optimistic about their family’s future, although poorer Brexit voters less so. Asked whether they ‘feel optimistic about my family’s future’, 48% of DE Brexit voters agreed compared to 62% among AB Brexit voters.
• Brexit voters feel more optimistic about the country’s future, although poorer Brexit voters less so. 61% of DE Brexit voters agreed with this sentiment compared to 70% among AB Brexit voters.

This comes as separate polling for JRF shows poverty is a rising concern among the public as social mobility is perceived to be moving backwards. The poll, conducted a week before the Brexit vote and released today, revealed:

• 90% of those polled say poverty reduction is task for central government
• Two thirds of people think poverty has increased over the last decade
• 52% believe it is harder for those living in poverty to escape than it was 10 years ago - compared to just 15% who say it’s easier.

JRF is calling for urgent action to tackle poverty and prevent further economic and social division. This September, JRF will be launching a comprehensive strategy to solve poverty, outlining how national and local government, businesses and citizens can each play their part.

Julia Unwin, Chief Executive of JRF, said: “The reasons for people’s vote in the referendum are complex, but this clearly shows that millions of people up and down the country feel left behind by economic growth and ignored by those elected to serve them.

“We believe Britain will be stronger if we solve poverty, giving everyone regardless of their background the chance to live a decent and secure life. Yet instead we’re seeing a real sense that it’s harder to get on than it used to be and poverty is on the rise.

“The result of the EU referendum shows we cannot afford to return to business as usual for the poorest people and places across the UK. It is vital that politicians seize this opportunity to show that they are listening, and work not only across party lines but in collaboration with business, individuals and local communities to solve poverty once and for all.”

It's genius isn't it - most of the things above that people are right to be concerned with imo - yet the EU was distributing funds to those poorer areas, it was funding programmes to tackle poverty and social mobility, yet they've taken all this away and expect a government that has driven the massive austerity programme that has increased poverty in those areas to not only replace that funding but increase it! (off the back of the bullshit £350m a week lie which they renegaded on hours after the result).

They are going to feel a whole lot worse when the cuts start to kick in...

 

[petersaxton]

It's genius isn't it - most of the things above that people are right to be concerned with imo - yet the EU was distributing funds to those poorer areas, it was funding programmes to tackle poverty and social mobility, yet they've taken all this away and expect a government that has driven the massive austerity programme that has increased poverty in those areas to not only replace that funding but increase it! (off the back of the bullshit £350m a week lie which they renegaded on hours after the result).

They are going to feel a whole lot worse when the cuts start to kick in...

I think you are confused about who is who. The Out campaign were the people who suggested spending the savings on the NHS.
Obviously the money would only be available once the UK leaves the EU.
The government makes financial decisions.
Who reneged?

 

[Fez]

Shabby is your perspective, you've then decided that his wife is treated poorly, again your perspective and baseless in reality. You then have the temerity to claim that by highlighting this post I'm point scoring......which of course was never your objective when making it in the first place.......

no, that's right. I was responding to his endless abusive and bigoted posts, whereas you are simply interfering.

 

[Fez]

I was just reading back some of the 20 or so pages I've missed and one thing stands out.
What's a barmpot?

Northern England slang - a foolish or deranged person

 

[Fez]

had personal insults chucked at me by Tommy Cooper's hat for not knowing that!

You're lying again, behave, like the good lad you think you are.

 

[NSIS]

no, that's right. I was responding to his endless abusive and bigoted posts, whereas you are simply interfering.

You started with the personal insults, pal. Which is what you always do when you can't prove your point, or you're shown to be wrong.

From my point of view, I am perfectly willing to discuss and respond to any intelligent debate. But you don't want to debate anything, just try and ram your opinions down other people's throats.

Maybe that works on your board, it cuts no ice with me, matey!...

 

[NSIS]

You're lying again, behave, like the good lad you think you are.

No, I'm not lying!..

 

[Fez]

You started with the personal insults, pal. Which is what you always do when you can't prove your point, or you're shown to be wrong.

From my point of view, I am perfectly willing to discuss and respond to any intelligent debate. But you don't want to debate anything, just try and ram your opinions down other people's throats.

Maybe that works on your board, it cuts no ice with me, matey!...

Same old nonsense, you blame everyone but yourself.

 

[NSIS]

Same old nonsense, you blame everyone but yourself.

Thanks! For just proving my point!....

 

[Fez]

No, I'm not lying!..

In that case then produce the post that supports this comment from you: "had personal insults chucked at me by Tommy Cooper's hat for not knowing that!"

 

[Fez]

Thanks! For just proving my point!....

? Delusional

 

[NSIS]

In that case then produce the post that supports this comment from you: "had personal insults chucked at me by Tommy Cooper's hat for not knowing that!"

I'll look to see if I can find it. But I remember what you said!...I said "a Barmpot, what ever the **** that is?" And you came back and called me whatever for not knowing this apparently northern attribution!....

 

[Smirnoffpriest]

I think you are confused about who is who. The Out campaign were the people who suggested spending the savings on the NHS.
Obviously the money would only be available once the UK leaves the EU.
The government makes financial decisions.
Who reneged?

Umm - Nigel Farage made similar claims to this and then on TV hours afterwards said it was never going to happen. Boris used it as a central claim for the official Leave campaign (you may have noticed the slight, subtle mentions on or two buses, billboards, posters and flyers...) and then also reneged on the promise on TV within hours of the result.

Boris - leader of the out campaign, was also in the Government (and still is) and was at that time in the running for leadership of the party. I'm not confused, but sounds like you could be. Especially if you think there will be £350m of savings a week. And if you think the NHS is going to get any extra money.

 

[NSIS]

? Delusional

I suggest you get a dictionary and look up the two words opinion and fact. Because you most definitely struggle to distinguish between the two!...

 

[steveninaster1]

I think you are confused about who is who. The Out campaign were the people who suggested spending the savings on the NHS.
Obviously the money would only be available once the UK leaves the EU.
The government makes financial decisions.
Who reneged?

Exactly no one has reneged as those promising it were never in a position to control government spending and offer it in the first place.
The idea that a fictitious sum of £350m is in anyway going to reach the NHS is nonsense.

 

[NSIS]

Exactly no one has reneged as those promising it were never in a position to control government spending and offer it in the first place.
The idea that a fictitious sum of £350m is in anyway going to reach the NHS is nonsense.

Yes, that's clear. Unfortunately, the leave campaign used that figure to stir up those who were less likely to investigate the whole issue more thoroughly.

The implication was that the £350mill p.w, that we were supposedly paying the EU ( which was a wildly incorrect figure to begin with!) would, or could be available to be spent on the NHS.

As they hoped, several bought into it....

 

[Deleted #]

Shabby is your perspective, you've then decided that his wife is treated poorly, again your perspective and baseless in reality. You then have the temerity to claim that by highlighting this post I'm point scoring......which of course was never your objective when making it in the first place.......

She is!

He spends his time on here, inbetween meals, instead of using the quality time with his wife.

 

[DMD]

She is!

He spends his time on here, inbetween meals, instead of using the quality time with his wife.

I reckon she'd see that as a bonus.

 

[petersaxton]

Umm - Nigel Farage made similar claims to this and then on TV hours afterwards said it was never going to happen. Boris used it as a central claim for the official Leave campaign (you may have noticed the slight, subtle mentions on or two buses, billboards, posters and flyers...) and then also reneged on the promise on TV within hours of the result.

Boris - leader of the out campaign, was also in the Government (and still is) and was at that time in the running for leadership of the party. I'm not confused, but sounds like you could be. Especially if you think there will be £350m of savings a week. And if you think the NHS is going to get any extra money.

Boris Johnson wasn't in the government - he was a back bench MP.
So nobody has reneged on anything because one organisation said one thing and another organisation will decide on these matters in two years or more time.
If Mr A said: "Lets build an airport at Dover" and the government didn't build an airport at Dover who would be reneging in your mind? The person who wasn't part of any decision making or the government who never suggested it? I don't think anybody was reneging but you appear to have a warped logic.