Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

[Smirnoffpriest]

Interesting post I came across about who supports the Remain and Out arguments -

"If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) an...d are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:
• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• The guy who was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.
And if you are unsure about leaving, don't.
Please repost this list, if you think it might help."

 

[SpursDisciple]

No, strangely it's Welsh for 'I know what's best for me and I don't want to make the country drastically worse while at the same time putting a bunch of idiots (read Boris, Nigel, IDS & Gove) in charge of the country!"

(Plus from a selfish point of view I don't want to see around a third of my colleagues and potentially me lose my jobs as they are European funded jobs at the Welsh Gov)

Keep it light, was only a jocular comment.
Although first paragraph is easily countered by the fact that I don't want Osbourne and Cameron in charge of the country either. One bunch of twats is little better than the other one.
On paragraph 2 - if completely true - you have my sympathy for any uncertainty.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

No, strangely it's Welsh for 'I know what's best for me and I don't want to make the country drastically worse while at the same time putting a bunch of idiots (read Boris, Nigel, IDS & Gove) in charge of the country!"

(Plus from a selfish point of view I don't want to see around a third of my colleagues and potentially me lose my jobs as they are European funded jobs at the Welsh Gov)

Nigel is not an MP, do how can he be in charge, also Gove is in the Gov and IDS was until a few weeks ago.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:
"

Try harder

HRG THE QUEEN (you cant top that one)

John Timpson, the CEO and owner of retailer Timpson,
Luke Johnson, the chairman of cafe chain Patisserie Valerie
Nigel Wilson, the CEO of Legal & General
Sir James Dyson
Sir Ian Botham
Butlins owner backs Brexit

The leader of the Labour Party is a closet outer hi is stilll anti EU even if he says otherwise.
Who cares what Fat yank President says, he is the worst one they have ever had. (says the yanks)


and that took me 5 seconds to find with many more

 

[Smirnoffpriest]

Try harder

HRG THE QUEEN (you cant top that one)

John Timpson, the CEO and owner of retailer Timpson,
Luke Johnson, the chairman of cafe chain Patisserie Valerie
Nigel Wilson, the CEO of Legal & General
Sir James Dyson
Sir Ian Botham

The leader of the Labour Party is a closet outer hi is stilll anti EU even if he says otherwise.
Who cares what Fat yank President says, he is the worst one they have ever had. (says the yanks)


and that took me 5 seconds to find with many more

The Queen doesn't though.

Neither does the Jeremy Corbyn. He wants to reform the EU from the inside.

And I'd trust the IMF, OECD, Gov of Bank of England and Stephen Hawking, not to mention the leaders of Wales, Scotland and N Ireland over Ian Botham tbh

 

[Archers Road]

I probably will. For all the bluff on both sides, I don't see much if anything changing either way.

That's absurd mate.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

The Queen doesn't though.

Neither does the Jeremy Corbyn. He wants to reform the EU from the inside.

And I'd trust the IMF, OECD, Gov of Bank of England and Stephen Hawking, not to mention the leaders of Wales, Scotland and N Ireland over Ian Botham tbh

BoE are not allowed to pick sides, and who cares for the leaders of Wales, Scoth and NI, they are all part of the sysytem.

IMF and OECD, never get anything right, spo they can be discounted as well, the only credible one is the Prof.

Keep trying

 

[Smirnoffpriest]

Keep it light, was only a jocular comment.
Although first paragraph is easily countered by the fact that I don't want Osbourne and Cameron in charge of the country either. One bunch of twats is little better than the other one.
On paragraph 2 - if completely true - you have my sympathy for any uncertainty.

A lot of Wales is reliant on EU funding, thanks to cuts to manufacturing, particularly steel and coal in the 80s and early 90s, Wales' largest employers are now the Welsh Gov, various councils and Cardiff Uni - all get huge amounts of money from the EU.

 

[Archers Road]

Try harder

HRG THE QUEEN (you cant top that one)

John Timpson, the CEO and owner of retailer Timpson,
Luke Johnson, the chairman of cafe chain Patisserie Valerie
Nigel Wilson, the CEO of Legal & General
Sir James Dyson
Sir Ian Botham
Butlins owner backs Brexit

The leader of the Labour Party is a closet outer hi is stilll anti EU even if he says otherwise.
Who cares what Fat yank President says, he is the worst one they have ever had. (says the yanks)


and that took me 5 seconds to find with many more

That's a pretty sorry list ffs. Ian Botham? Billy Butlins? Fuxake

 

[Stan]

A lot of Wales is reliant on EU funding, thanks to cuts to manufacturing, particularly steel and coal in the 80s and early 90s, Wales' largest employers are now the Welsh Gov, various councils and Cardiff Uni - all get huge amounts of money from the EU.

You're confusing the debate by introducing facts. You need pictures with radical but illogical slogans!

 

[Stan]

That's a pretty sorry list ffs. Ian Botham? Billy Butlins? Fuxake

Brian Potter as well.

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[SpursDisciple]

Try harder

HRG THE QUEEN (you cant top that one)

John Timpson, the CEO and owner of retailer Timpson,
Luke Johnson, the chairman of cafe chain Patisserie Valerie
Nigel Wilson, the CEO of Legal & General
Sir James Dyson
Sir Ian Botham

The leader of the Labour Party is a closet outer hi is stilll anti EU even if he says otherwise.
Who cares what Fat yank President says, he is the worst one they have ever had. (says the yanks)


and that took me 5 seconds to find with many more

That's it. I'm coming down for Remain. Thought I would google Famous Brexit Supporters and the first 4 names were

Michael Caine (great actor, but twat politically)
Duncan Bannantyne (twat)
Katie Hopkins (****)
Sol "Judas" Campbell. (Makes Hopkins look like a hero in comparison)

 

[HRH Custard VC]

A lot of Wales is reliant on EU funding, thanks to cuts to manufacturing, particularly steel and coal in the 80s and early 90s, Wales' largest employers are now the Welsh Gov, various councils and Cardiff Uni - all get huge amounts of money from the EU.

But the Gov cant save the Steel industry, they are not allowed to. So all the jobs could go thanks to the EU.

Do you think the Gov would not give wales the funding if we left (thats any Gov, not the crap we have in now)
And the money you get from the EU is OUR money in the first place, are you that blind not to see that

 

[Smirnoffpriest]

You're confusing the debate by introducing facts. You need pictures with radical but illogical slogans!

Of course, I should be using the Custard school of arguing lol

It's a pretty poor list from Mr Custard

I mean Timpson - who wears shoes these days? Everyone's wear crocs!
Billy Butlins, really? If we vote to remain then everyone will be so rich we'll be going on holiday on the Moon, so forget about Butlins!
Who needs the chairman of Patisserie Valerie or Botham boy when Flintoff will eat all the (EU approved) pasties and bowl Botham a Yorker!!!

 

[HRH Custard VC]

Of course, I should be using the Custard school of arguing lol

It's a pretty poor list from Mr Custard

I mean Timpson - who wears shoes these days? Everyone's wear crocs!
Billy Butlins, really? If we vote to remain then everyone will be so rich we'll be going on holiday on the Moon, so forget about Butlins!
Who needs the chairman of Patisserie Valerie or Botham boy when Flintoff will eat all the (EU approved) pasties and bowl Botham a Yorker!!!

Yes your list who get EU funding makes good reading....NOT

 

[Tobes]

But the Gov cant save the Steel industry, they are not allowed to. So all the jobs could go thanks to the EU.

Do you think the Gov would not give wales the funding if we left (thats any gove, not the crap we have in now)
And the money you get from the EU is OUR money in the first place, are you that blind not to see that

Yet more complete bollocks from you.

The Germans have subsidised their heavy industry to the tune of 9BN Euros in the last 3 years, more than 40 times what we've done. They do so via energy subsidies to ensure they can remain competitive.

 

[Smirnoffpriest]

But the Gov cant save the Steel industry, they are not allowed to. So all the jobs could go thanks to the EU.

Do you think the Gov would not give wales the funding if we left (thats any gove, not the crap we have in now)
And the money you get from the EU is OUR money in the first place, are you that blind not to see that

Not allowed? What you not allowed because our government vetoed the EU legislation to stop cheap Chinese steel flooding the market?

Ahh you're questing why I'm cynical of a party that a) left Wales poorer than every region in Europe other than Albania due to under funding and investment when they were in power for 15 years, needing billions of EU funding (Objective One, FP6,FP7,FP8 and Horizon2020 and CAP to name a few) for Wales to return to the level it is now and b) to trust a the potential leaders (Boris/Gove et al) who have already promised something like £120bn worth of spending off a max £10bn saving on exiting Europe, but haven't mentioned any spending in Wales within those grand promises until yesterday.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

Yet more complete bollocks from you.

The Germans have subsidised their heavy industry to the tune of 9BN Euros in the last 3 years, more than 40 times what we've done. They do so via energy subsidies to ensure they can remain competitive.

That I agree on, but our gov cant go in and "lend it ££££" because the EU will not let us.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

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[paultheplug]

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Ah. The pre-EU 60 year old cabbage regulation hoax that originated in the good ole US of A.