Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


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Sane people need to realise that no matter what rational problems you put up regarding the flaws in Brexit, the answer will always be.... it's because of the EU! It's such an easy cop out.

Then there's the inconsistencies. Apparently the country is going down the ****hole thanks to the EU... but we're the 5th largest economy, we have higher wages, we have industries that the world wants to trade with, we have seen our assets like our house market rising. All the arguments as to why we'd survive Brexit but somehow we're **** while we're in Brexit. Go figure.

By the way, a word to the wise. Anyone who honestly thinks house prices are going to drop after we leave the EU is living in cloud cuckoo land <laugh> AND anyone who ACTUALLY WANTS house prices to drop clearly hasn't thought things through as they're advocating a recession <doh>
Treble, house prices have already dipped in certain areas because of stamp duty and the prospect of Brexit. Granted they are the higher value properties and the higher value areas. The rest of the country may not dip after Brexit but it could and probably will stagnate. That would be good for people trying to get on the ladder but bad for people who are homeowners. A lot of older people rely on their properties as their retirement fund. If properties don't rise in value but the cost of living does then your property won't be worth as much to you as it once was.
 
At the end of the day, we will all vote what we think is right and we as a country will have to live with it.

But I here that some MPs would not ratify the referendum IF we voted out, that woud not be good for them or us
 
I'm not great with all this political nonsense, I find it boring and hate that it's all lies so you can't trust what they say or what you read. All seems pointless to me might as well read a fictional novel as it'll be more interesting and be more relevant to my life.

In what you post though there is some truth, we don't want house prices to drop that would be very bad as loads of people would go into negative equity. Build more affordable housing and keep the housing market on the up would make sense. I live on a new estate and it's not like it's full of old people the majority are young couples with 1 kid, they have decent jobs and can afford the mortgage, so all this young people can't afford homes is nonsense from my point of view.
Depends where you are in the country Gonz. Average house price in London is £600k which is just insane. If you're earning £40k a year and living in London you've got no chance of buying a property. If you're earning £20k a year and living in Colwyn Bay then you can get on the property ladder.
 
What about the NHS and lack of investment with all the extra people that live here, how can we cope if we dont control our borders?

Yes more money would be good, but thats not going to happen to the extent we need it
 
I'm not great with all this political nonsense, I find it boring and hate that it's all lies so you can't trust what they say or what you read. All seems pointless to me might as well read a fictional novel as it'll be more interesting and be more relevant to my life.

In what you post though there is some truth, we don't want house prices to drop that would be very bad as loads of people would go into negative equity. Build more affordable housing and keep the housing market on the up would make sense. I live on a new estate and it's not like it's full of old people the majority are young couples with 1 kid, they have decent jobs and can afford the mortgage, so all this young people can't afford homes is nonsense from my point of view.

Yeh young people can buy homes, they just can't always do it in prime centre locations like the middle of London, Manchester or Birmingham. But then, if that's what you want you build up to that by getting yourself onto the housing ladder in the first place somewhere else and work your way up. Bloody hell, 30-40 years ago MOST people rented. Now all of a sudden the EU is the problem??? Makes no sense.

There are many factors that affect first time buyers, but mostly it's based on wages and mortgage lending criteria. As long as wages keep going up (wow that minimum wage suddenly seems important!!), interest rates remain low, and lenders are willing to lend, people will buy.

By the way, the housing market is built on First Time Buyers! Without them, house prices wouldn't be where they are. <ok>

Leaving the EU will NOT change the supply and demand, the population is growing regardless along wth the economy and therefore prices will not drop. Unless there's a recession where confidence in the housing market suddenly drops. Now I wonder why anyone would want that?
 
What about the NHS and lack of investment with all the extra people that live here, how can we cope if we dont control our borders?

Yes more money would be good, but thats not going to happen to the extent we need it
Border control is essential if Britain stays in the EU. As I said before, we went into the open border system with no plan in place. That was a colossal **** up.
 
If we stay in we will get a U army (France and Germany have said it will happen) that will mean conscription of 2 years, that to be fair would be a good idea as youngsters need learn.
The UK will have to pay more into the EU for no return, again thats been said by the EU 2 Billion this year.
Also 20 Billion will be needed for all the migrants (invasion of young men, who should be sent back to fight)
More counties will join the EU, poor counties where the people will come to the UK for free houses , Health care and benefits (just like now)
A EU superstate where you get no votes on who runs the show, thats no democracy for you, at least we can choose who we want to **** this country up

Business want the easy option of pre skilled workers, when they can train the Brits up I will word it better:-
Business should be made to employ young Brits and train them up before they are allowed to import skilled workers.

PS UKIP are not a racist Party, only a **** and mong would think they are.
What an absolute crock of ****.
 
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I'm not great with all this political nonsense, I find it boring and hate that it's all lies so you can't trust what they say or what you read. All seems pointless to me might as well read a fictional novel as it'll be more interesting and be more relevant to my life.

In what you post though there is some truth, we don't want house prices to drop that would be very bad as loads of people would go into negative equity. Build more affordable housing and keep the housing market on the up would make sense. I live on a new estate and it's not like it's full of old people the majority are young couples with 1 kid, they have decent jobs and can afford the mortgage, so all this young people can't afford homes is nonsense from my point of view.

I hear you, but that's actually quite a dangerous stance to take. politics affects every area of your life and some politicians are very happy to have the big decision making left to them. 'Yes politics is very boring and complicated, best you leave it all to us.....'
 
Treble, house prices have already dipped in certain areas because of stamp duty and the prospect of Brexit. Granted they are the higher value properties and the higher value areas. The rest of the country may not dip after Brexit but it could and probably will stagnate. That would be good for people trying to get on the ladder but bad for people who are homeowners. A lot of older people rely on their properties as their retirement fund. If properties don't rise in value but the cost of living does then your property won't be worth as much to you as it once was.

Stan I would argue that these are mostly as a result of stamp duty particularly on the Buy to Let market? Also, are these abstract figures - those being reported rather than in real terms? Are they based on actual completions or just "reported" market conditions? I just feel the market isn't being propped up by people coming into the country, it's increasing as a result of the growing indigenous population and that supply and demad won't change. Especially as the Brexit people are claiming their kids can't get on the property ladder! Doesn't that simply reinforce the fact that the demand will be there and therefore the prices won't fall.
 
And that wont stop happening because we leave the EU, although the loving bit might. <laugh>

Lol obviously a typo and i dont expect everyone to start loving each other <laugh>

But my point, which seems fairly self evident, is that we would be literally be distancing ourselves from other countries while other countries are coming closer together
 
I hear you, but that's actually quite a dangerous stance to take. politics affects every area of your life and some politicians are very happy to have the big decision making left to them.
It's not the boring complicated part I dislike it's the fact that you cannot trust what you read or what they say, the majority are basing their opinions on those two things and it's absolute lies and nonsense.
 
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It's not the boring complicated part I dislike it's the fact that you cannot trust what you read or what they say, the majority are basing their opinions on those two things and it's absolute lies and nonsense.

I agree it can be turgid wading through the spin and bullshit to get to the facts.
 
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