Election 2024

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I don't actually think Starmer has done a lot wrong. I mean he didn't handle the Mandleson issue brilliantly, but the actual substance stuff, he's been okay at, without being that dynamic. He's been better on the international stage, proving to be quite a decent statesman

When you look at the utter **** show under Cameron, May, Boris et al. Who spent 14 years ****ing things up, he's actually a breath of fresh air

But this is politics, where leaders are decided by popularity contest and public opinion is set by tik tok influencers, and Starmer is now looking like a sitting duck and Labour are only heading in one direction if they stick with him for much longer.

Bro you can't keep blaming previous parties every time Labour **** up. They got hammered at the locals accept it.

Remember the Labour promise when they came in and yet they employed the back scratcher of a ****phile.

Have they found Morgan McSweeney's phone yet?

 

[Welshie]

Bro you can't keep blaming previous parties every time Labour **** up. They got hammered at the locals accept it.

Remember the Labour promise when the came in and yet they employed the back scratcher of a ****phile.

Have they found Morgan McSweeney's phone yet?

Pinkie is a Green mate

he's betrayed the Labour Party

 

[brb]

Anyway we got Gordon Brown and Harrieta back now so everything will be fine.

 

[PINKIE]

Pinkie is a Green mate

he's betrayed the Labour Party

Lol, yeah **** Labour

 

[Welshie]

Anyway we got Gordon Brown and Harrieta back now so everything will be fine.

Brown should be Minister of state for Scotland and get to work rebuilding Hadrians ****ing wall.

 

[brb]

Don't Reform control Greater Manchester now, well lots of gains I mean?

 

[brb]

Because she had he fingers in the till, so to speak?

So not really Prime Minster candidate tbh.

But this is 2026 Britain, so **** knows.

Harriet Harman is back, another one that was actually sacked.

 

[Welshie]

Don't Reform control Greater Manchester now, well lots of gains I mean?

North West substantially went to Reform yes.

I think next GE (if Labour continue on their current course) a few of them Wirral seats will fall to Reform and Southport will go back to Lib Dems. I know Southport has been Tory previously but I just can't see them regaining it in the current climate.

I've lived most of my life in the North West and I can really feel the Reform shift every time I'm there.

 

[PINKIE]

If it was 2010 he'd be doing fine.

Cameron btw needs a special mention as I truly believe he's one of the worst Prime Ministers Britain has ever had. His handling of the financial crisis was poor, his decision to have a Scottish referendum was poor (indyref was polling at 30% approval before Cameron got involved), his handling of the Brexit referendum was genuinely terrible - first having an IN/Out referendum with very little substantial debate, announcing what side he was on and then immediately resigning when he lost. **** politician, **** leader.

He was also just a poor Tory leader - lest we forget that he actually could have lost to Ed Miliband.

This is what I mean, in comparison to what went before, Starmer is low key achieving.

Cameron was basically a posh spiv who gambled the country's future and lost. His MPs were defecting to UKIP and rather than put the country first, he put his party unity first and lost on both counts.

What followed that was basically a **** show, culminating in Boris' botched hard brexit that cost the UK $90bn last year alone.

But in a world where social media now sets the tone and Reform have successfully scared and angered enough people into believing that brown people on boats are responsible for the gaping hole in the finances and public services and Starmer is the fall guy

 

[Welshie]

This is what I mean, in comparison to what went before, Starmer is low key achieving.

Cameron was basically a posh spiv who gambled the country's future and lost. His MPs were defecting to UKIP and rather than put the country first, he put his party unity first and lost on both counts.

What followed that was basically a **** show, culminating in Boris' botched hard brexit that cost the UK $90bn last year alone.

But in a world where social media now sets the tone and Reform have successfully scared and angered enough people into believing that brown people on boats are responsible for the gaping hole in the finances and public services and Starmer is the fall guy

As much as I want to just say "social media is bad" I have to respect the graft Farage puts into campaigning, he's all over the ****ing country, he's in the streets, he goes into random pubs, he talks to locals and he isn't afraid to get a milkshake thrown at him

He has seen how others have done it across Europe and Trump in the US and he's copying it, you genuinely do need to get out there and ****ing campaign hard in peoples face

Polanski is doing the same thing.

It's telling that both Farage and Polanski made appearances in both Wales and Scotland whilst no other party leaders could be bothered.

 

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This is what I mean, in comparison to what went before, Starmer is low key achieving.

Cameron was basically a posh spiv who gambled the country's future and lost. His MPs were defecting to UKIP and rather than put the country first, he put his party unity first and lost on both counts.

What followed that was basically a **** show, culminating in Boris' botched hard brexit that cost the UK $90bn last year alone.

But in a world where social media now sets the tone and Reform have successfully scared and angered enough people into believing that brown people on boats are responsible for the gaping hole in the finances and public services and Starmer is the fall guy

Meanwhile in Cornwall...

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[Welshie]

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Fosse?

 

[brb]

Fosse?

Could be I just googled election winner in Cornwall and that's what came up.

 

[Chief]

North West substantially went to Reform yes.

I think next GE (if Labour continue on their current course) a few of them Wirral seats will fall to Reform and Southport will go back to Lib Dems. I know Southport has been Tory previously but I just can't see them regaining it in the current climate.

I've lived most of my life in the North West and I can really feel the Reform shift every time I'm there.

And that's because there are people genuinely struggling without a pot to piss in and labour are doing **** all about it. They are instead throwing money at Ukraine and Israel.

These people will believe whatever Reform tell them, cause no one else is. That's what they see.

 

[PINKIE]

Meanwhile in Cornwall...

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Reform won a majority in the last local election down here, but they couldn't form a cabinet to govern lol.

I think a lot of the councillors that Reform have put up across the country have volunteered themselves on the back of the anti immigration ticket and then found out that the actual job involves dealing with fixing pot holes, setting school budgets, dealing with social security benefits and care for the elderly etc and decided they don't fancy it lol

 

[Welshie]

Reform won a majority in the last local election down here, but they couldn't form a cabinet to govern lol.

I think a lot of the councillors that Reform have put up across the country have volunteered themselves on the back of the anti immigration ticket and then found out that the actual job involves dealing with fixing pot holes, setting school budgets, dealing with social security benefits and care for the elderly etc and decided they don't fancy it lol

Genuinely think if you care about your area, being able to run the local council must be extremely fulfilling.

 

[Welshie]

And that's because there are people genuinely struggling without a pot to piss in and labour are doing **** all about it. They are instead throwing money at Ukraine and Israel.

These people will believe whatever Reform tell them, cause no one else is. That's what they see.

Yep.

Not to mention, the North West genuinely has seen a massive increase in migration, the demographics have shifted and the locals just see higher prices, less housing opportunities and poor public investment. Across the water in Liverpool which is Labour dominated you're seeing a complete contrast with billions being spent on projects.

 

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Reform won a majority in the last local election down here, but they couldn't form a cabinet to govern lol.

I think a lot of the councillors that Reform have put up across the country have volunteered themselves on the back of the anti immigration ticket and then found out that the actual job involves dealing with fixing pot holes, setting school budgets, dealing with social security benefits and care for the elderly etc and decided they don't fancy it lol

No good telling us mate, tell your good folk of Cornwall. Tell the poor people in Manchester - plenty of places clearly feel the same.

Everytime Labour done something it hurt their core voters, so they end up revolting, we seem to care more about spending money on war than anything else.

 

[PINKIE]

Genuinely think if you care about your area, being able to run the local council must be extremely fulfilling.

I think a lot of it gets bogged down in bureaucracy at county council level. Local council budgets have been cut to the bone and there's only so much they can do. A lot of it goes on social care because we have a bit of a national crisis with an aging population living longer with more and more complex needs, coupled with a fall in birth rates.

I think town council councillors probably have more joy setting a local agenda, although their powers are limited.

 

[PINKIE]

No good telling us mate, tell your good folk of Cornwall. Tell the poor people in Manchester - plenty of places clearly feel the same.

Everytime Labour done something it hurt their core voters, so they end up revolting, we seem to care more about spending money on war than anything else.

Yeah, I think chief summed it up. People are getting poorer and Reform are the only ones speaking to them (even if it is bs)

The ****in state of political discourse in the UK is woeful. But Labour have to take some responsibility for that disconnect with the voters.